Accepted Report: 76561198047984178 - ([TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items)

Scam Report

Report Type: [Money] PayPal scam or scam attempt
Virtual item type involved: [TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items

Accused profile: 76561198047984178 ()

Victim profile: 76561198012510479

What happened? Description:

He added me, told me he'd pay 180$ for my hat that I had priced at 200$ USD, and I agreed. He had great Rep, and nothing bad on his Steamrep. He told me he would give me proof he would pay me, so that I couldn't get scammed. I can provide an entire chat log of what happened as well, in case it's needed.

Basically, I gave him the hat, he said he'd get the money into my account. When The money wasn't showing, I asked why, and he said it wouldn't work. He kept delaying all night until I finally called him out on scamming me, and he said "if you tell everyone I'm a scammer, I won't give your hat back or the money."All night he led me on a goose chase saying I'd get my hat after I would do something. Obviously I never got it back.

Chat Logs
(sorry for the length. I also cut some of the chat out because of how long it was (we we're chatting for around 6 hours straight)

3:40 AM - Fr3Egun™: So
3:40 AM - Fr3Egun™: Paypal is slow today. It's loading
3:40 AM - Fr3Egun™: Just tell me when u'll have
3:40 AM - Vexon: sounds good.
3:41 AM - Vexon: Still nothing.
3:41 AM - Fr3Egun™: it's loading for me
3:41 AM - Fr3Egun™: Just wait a bit
3:41 AM - Vexon: Okay

3:42 AM - Vexon: lol
3:42 AM - Fr3Egun™: Just wait
3:42 AM - Fr3Egun™: xD
3:46 AM - Fr3Egun™: So
3:46 AM - Fr3Egun™: it's lagging
3:46 AM - Vexon: http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/beatmeat
3:46 AM - Fr3Egun™: Don't know what is happening , just wait
3:46 AM - Fr3Egun™: http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/louie
3:46 AM - Fr3Egun™: http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/KOh
3:47 AM - Vexon: lol
3:47 AM - Vexon: "1 minute max"
3:47 AM - Vexon: xD
3:48 AM - Vexon: Whats it doing?
3:48 AM - Fr3Egun™: Normaly it is
3:48 AM - Fr3Egun™: It's loading
3:48 AM - Fr3Egun™: I'm going to force press ctrl+ F5
3:49 AM - Vexon: whats that do
3:50 AM - Fr3Egun™: It's loading , i'm going to try on an other computer
3:50 AM - Vexon: alrighty
3:51 AM - Fr3Egun™: Just try the hat
3:51 AM - Fr3Egun™: If it doesn't work in 10 minute
3:51 AM - Fr3Egun™: I'll give u the item back
3:51 AM - Fr3Egun™: And we'll trade when it'll work
3:51 AM - Vexon: sounds good.

3:56 AM - Vexon: is paypal still not working?
3:57 AM - Fr3Egun™: My computer is starting
3:57 AM - Vexon: ok
4:02 AM - Vexon: ???
4:03 AM - Fr3Egun™: I'll tell u when it'll be started
4:03 AM - Fr3Egun™: It's an old computer
4:04 AM - Vexon: it takes more than 6 minutes to start
4:04 AM - Vexon: O_O
4:04 AM - Fr3Egun™: Yeah
4:04 AM - Fr3Egun™: xD
4:04 AM - Vexon: I wanna sleep :O
4:04 AM - Vexon: plaz hurry
4:06 AM - Fr3Egun™: U can sleep , i won't delete u x)
4:06 AM - Vexon: lol
4:06 AM - Vexon: i'd prefer getting the money first, and if you can't tonight, getting the hat back
4:06 AM - Vexon: just for closure
4:10 AM - Vexon: well if it isnt working yet, i doubt it will work. i'd like the hat back if possible.
4:10 AM - Vexon: until we can try again.
4:12 AM - Vexon: srsly plz
4:13 AM - Vexon: I know youre not afk..
4:14 AM - Vexon: Just tell me if you scammed me or not at least haha. I don't just wanna sit here in the dark.
4:15 AM - Fr3Egun™: I won't scam u , i have to tell a thing to a friend
4:16 AM - Vexon: cant you give me the hat back, or send the money while you do that?? haha. its not like just because you have to tell someone something, you have to stop eveything
4:17 AM - Vexon: -_-
4:19 AM - Vexon: When do you think I can have MY hat back??
4:25 AM - Vexon: Look it's not working man, we can try another time. Can I please have the hat back now?
4:26 AM - Fr3Egun™: Just a second
4:31 AM - Vexon: I don't think it's going to work, haha. If TF2 is loading for you, and everything else is, but paypal isnt, then it just must be down for you. If you give the hat back, I would gladly try again tomorrow.
4:33 AM - Vexon: The hat isn't goign anywhere, you can trust me.
4:36 AM - Vexon: Dude..
4:37 AM - Fr3Egun™: W8
4:37 AM - Vexon: No. It isn't going to work tonight.
4:37 AM - Vexon: You're not even trying, you're playing a game of TF2.
4:38 AM - Vexon: I thought you were more professional than this.
4:38 AM - Fr3Egun™: TA GUEULE FDP
4:39 AM - Vexon: What is your problem?
4:41 AM - Vexon: I am trying to be cooperative, and you are completely ignoring me, lying to me, and keeping me from getting my money, or hat. Like I said, I will gladly try again tomorrow, but for tonight, may I please have it back. The hat isn't going anywhere, so don't worry. Paypal is just being stupid, but tomorrow maybe it will work.
4:53 AM - Fr3Egun™: http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/pope
4:53 AM - Vexon: Can you just tell me what's going on?
4:55 AM - Vexon: http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/meatytears
4:56 AM - Fr3Egun™: http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/spycon
4:57 AM - Fr3Egun™: If u report me , i won't give u the money or the item , if i don't scam u , u don't have to report me
4:57 AM - Vexon: Exactly, but it looks like you are scamming me. You won't even tell me what's going on.
4:58 AM - Fr3Egun™: It's just f✿✿✿✿✿✿ lagging and I have private problems now , So just wait , the money will arrive

5:22 AM - Vexon: Okay so now what
5:23 AM - Vexon: Please.
5:24 AM - Fr3Egun™: Just a second
5:24 AM - Vexon: You have said that more times than I can count.
5:29 AM - Vexon: Please, stop playing TF2 and continue with our trade.
5:29 AM - Vexon: You know you are avoiding everything I ask. Why>?

5:51 AM - Vexon: could I get the hat back now btw?
5:51 AM - Fr3Egun™: U can , just try to finish the second x)
5:51 AM - Vexon: k xd
5:52 AM - Vexon: But hey we will definitely try again tomorrow
5:52 AM - Vexon: and the duffel/wrapper?
5:52 AM - Fr3Egun™: I have traded to a friend , I'll ask him
5:52 AM - Fr3Egun™: I'm going to ask him
5:52 AM - Vexon: kk
5:52 AM - Fr3Egun™: Trade
5:58 AM - Vexon: not playing anymore ):
5:59 AM - Fr3Egun™: I'm going to play to harrys simy
5:59 AM - Fr3Egun™: simulator*
5:59 AM - Vexon: oh nice!
5:59 AM - Fr3Egun™: I'll give u the set back when my friend'll be here
5:59 AM - Vexon: sounds good. when do you think that'll be?
5:59 AM - Fr3Egun™: In an hour
5:59 AM - Fr3Egun™: http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/meaty
6:00 AM - Vexon: blah
6:00 AM - Vexon: could i get the unusual back alone at least
6:00 AM - Fr3Egun™: blob
6:00 AM - Vexon: just because thats the item of interest
6:00 AM - Vexon: youre getting them all back anyway
6:00 AM - Vexon: if you already gave them away thats ok. but the unusual i'd prefer to stay in my posession atm
6:01 AM - Fr3Egun™: it's understandable PPPP
6:01 AM - Vexon: haha
6:01 AM - Vexon: so, shall we?
6:01 AM - Fr3Egun™: so6
6:01 AM - Fr3Egun™: I'l give u all the set
6:02 AM - Vexon: when?
6:02 AM - Fr3Egun™: In an hour max !
6:02 AM - Fr3Egun™: heead
6:02 AM - Vexon: why are you so hellbent on keeping it? /:
6:02 AM - Vexon: you keep delaying D;
6:02 AM - Fr3Egun™: the grosse BITE
6:02 AM - Fr3Egun™: YOU ARE steam guard
6:03 AM - Fr3Egun™: ha je croi que tes mort 5000
6:03 AM - Vexon: lol
6:03 AM - Fr3Egun™: C'est très déroutant xD
6:03 AM - Vexon: I'd just like to get it back so I could get to bed lol
6:03 AM - Fr3Egun™: I'll ask u trade offer
6:03 AM - Fr3Egun™: Don't worry ^^
6:03 AM - Vexon: well
6:03 AM - Vexon: just in case
6:03 AM - Vexon: ill stauy up
6:03 AM - Vexon: cause this is a big deal
6:04 AM - Fr3Egun™: Ok ^^

6:33 AM - Vexon: Hey, i honestly don't care about the set anymore
6:33 AM - Vexon: because i know you are gonna give it to him once i give you the unusual anyways
6:36 AM - Fr3Egun™ is now Online.
6:36 AM - Fr3Egun™: Dick dans l'anus P
6:36 AM - Vexon: lol
6:36 AM - Vexon: plz
6:36 AM - Vexon: pretty sure it's been about an hour anyways
6:36 AM - The trade request was cancelled.
6:46 AM - Vexon: Hey, its been an hour
6:54 AM - Vexon: ?

7:03 AM - Vexon: Really man.
7:03 AM - Vexon: It's about time I get it back now.
7:04 AM - Vexon: http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/meatytears http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/rage
7:06 AM - Fr3Egun™ is now playing Team Fortress 2. Click here to join.
7:07 AM - Vexon: -_-
7:07 AM - Vexon: Seriously man
7:07 AM - Fr3Egun™: http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/csgoanarchist
7:08 AM - Vexon: PLEASE quit doing this
7:08 AM - Vexon: you aredragging it on for EVER
7:09 AM - Vexon: http://cdn.steamcommunity.com/economy/emoticon/dealwithit
7:10 AM - Vexon: come on man
7:10 AM - Vexon: What're you doing
7:11 AM - Vexon: We agreed many times on this
7:11 AM - Vexon: lets do it
7:11 AM - Vexon: You will get it tomorrow, but tonight I want to go to bed with it in my posession
7:11 AM - Vexon: Would you please answer the trade
7:11 AM - Vexon: you're being very rude
7:12 AM - Fr3Egun™: Just tell me that
7:12 AM - Fr3Egun™: Tu es un fils de pute
7:12 AM - Fr3Egun™: xD
7:12 AM - Vexon: whats that mean
7:12 AM - Fr3Egun™: Don't know
7:12 AM - Vexon: liar!
7:12 AM - Vexon:
7:15 AM - Vexon: Alright then. Are you scamming me or not?
7:15 AM - Vexon: It really seems like it now
7:16 AM - Vexon: YES or NO
7:16 AM - Vexon: because I'm sick of waiting. I have waited and been patient with you for over 5 hours. it's about time you tell me whats going on. Are you scamming me or not.
7:17 AM - Vexon: Because I am almost ready to accept the fact that yes, I was wrong. And you did scam me
7:17 AM - Vexon: DID YOU SCAM OR NOT
7:18 AM - Vexon: Alright then, writing it up as a scam. I'm sorry but you made this happen. I tried so many times to get you to cooperate, but you wouldn't.
7:19 AM - Vexon: I am embarresed for trusting you.

7:38 AM - Vexon: your trading career is kind of over now. 3 buds doesnt mean anything
7:38 AM - Fr3Egun™: If I report u too
7:38 AM - Vexon: And I have proof you scammed me, you dont have proof i scammed youi?
7:38 AM - Fr3Egun™: I didn't scam u
7:38 AM - Fr3Egun™: Paypal just lag
7:38 AM - Fr3Egun™: If i scammed u
7:38 AM - Fr3Egun™: I deleted u​

Provide Evidence:

The first screenshot is him swearing he would pay me, and that I would give him the hat.

The next two are backpack history, showing I had the hat, and then he had it one day after (along with the duffel and wrapper but those aren't big deals)

The last one is proof that it is indeed that person.​

ITEM HISTORY

Hello, can you give a screenshot of ALL your paypal history?
Make sure it shows at least one month of history.

Well, does he actually need to send me the money? He never sent anything. He just kept saying it wouldn't load, so what would I have to show with Paypal?

Just show that you didn't receive the money.

I can do that. Give me 2 seconds

Proof I didn't receive any payment at all.

OK, since that's all you got I'll mark for review.

Great thanks. How long should it take to be reviewed, and what usually happens after it gets reviewed?

Hello vexon and the moderator. The guy also added me for doing a paypall trade; 200 euro's for my unusual. We are using a middleman. When everything was ready for trade and we discussed with the middleman how this was going to happen he suddenly said that his paypall was lagging ( he said his webpage was always loading). Sometimes this can happens to the cookies or the dns cache. I gave him certain tips on how to fix it and he is trying, he has contact paypall support to help with this "matter". He promised me to tell me when the paypall lagging was fixed. (this was 2 days ago btw). So now he sended me a message that he will get reported for this matter. After reading your chat, i noticed that the same "ignoring" was happening to me yesterday( so this might mean that he actually was doing something and that his friend or someone else was maybe playing ? dunno). I said to him that he atleast needs to give your item back. He is trying to add you, he says you blocked him? But okay, my suggestion is maybe wait untill his paypall works again and he did the trade succesfully with me and the middleman.

I never blocked him, he removed me, and I have proof that he did. So you are wrong buddy.

I will gladly take this post down if he returns my items, otherwise he deserves to be banned.

He gave the items back, but not before he tried to buy someone else's hat with it here: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20129562

Luckily the owner of the hats looked at the history of the item, and commented on my trade letting me know here: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20223714#latest

He gave the items back, but it still doesn't mean he would have if I didn't make this thread, and if I didn't show who he was on outpost.
I'll let you high admins choose what to do with him, because it was still a scam. I got it back, but that's because he was screwed if he didn't give it back. I only have one thing to say..."Karma's a b✿✿✿✿"

As an added note (which I think could be useful for the admins):


He tried selling a hat that he didn't pay for, he gave away both of my misc items which he also didnt pay for, and he wouldn't give any of them back to me after countless hours of asking for them, while once again, he hadn't paid for them.

It's my paypal lag.
It's loading and it doesn't do anything.
I can't tell more , If I wanted to sell the hat , it's cause I didn't want to get banned , and I wanted to loose the hat , and Vexon has blocked me I think , it's why I wanted to sell that.

I have given them to a friend , Erzangel , And he didn't trade me anything for it.

I never blocked him. Just to be clear.

When I wanted to add u , it made an error.

I'm not sure why it did that, because in all honesty I did not block you. Maybe it was from when you deleted me. Either way, that's almost irrelevant.

Anyway , sorry for this mistake , and sorry , i had to give u the hat , and to don't wait , i'm sry.