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Accepted Report: 76561198122005972 - ([TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items)

Discussion in 'Archived Reports' started by ๖ۣۜVox™, Nov 16, 2014.

  1. ๖ۣۜVox™

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    Scam Report

    Report Type: [Other] Any other fraudulant behavior
    Virtual item type involved: [TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items

    Accused profile: 76561198122005972

    Victim profile: 76561197995232897

    What happened? Description:
    Saturday (15 november), a guy called Eriksson ( http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198122005972 ) added me on steam. We spoke the next day : on sunday. He told me that he added me because he was interested to offer on my Sunbeams Brotherhood of Arms. He first offered his Vintage Shortstop and his Searing Plasma Noh Mercy. Then there were several misunderstanding, he claimed that he didn't offer that and meant to trade for my BoA either his shortsop or his Noh mercy. To me the offer was kinda low, even if he did both. Later the same day, he told me that he could get a Scorching Noh Mercy for his Shortstop (like 1:1). It didn't seem very legit to me so I came to talk to Lategum, the only person who could be interested by a Vintage Shortstop (as he owned several ones in the past and still have own) and who owned a Scorching Noh Mercy. Lategum was already in my friendlist I first met him in a unusual trade server, we already negotiated for my Sunbeams Brotherhood but it didn't led to a deal.
    He told me that he would trade Eriksson for his vintage shortstop + 10 buds pure. Here is one thing that didn't match with what Eriksson told me. Meanwhile I was speaking with Lategum, I also spoke with Eriksson. I asked Lategum what he sold his shortstop for : he replied that he sold it for a Secret Team Captain and a Blizzardy Storm Hazmat (I have no proof of it tho as it was in the chat that is now unavailable because it is too old). Later, I noticed that it was a lie. Lategum owned them all anyway because every item he mentionned appear in a same thread on TF2 Outpost http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23600185 . I don't think that it was a legit trade, it is more about faking past offers I guess. They might probably be friends and wouldn't mind to swap their items into eachother's account.
    I came back to Eriksson several times to negotiate with him, it was pretty hard to because there were a lot of misunderstandings, that's something you can notice in the chat.
    It was also hard for me to believe that Eriksson could afford the Noh Mercy because besides the Searing Plasma Noh Mercy, he didn't have anything to add on top of the Vintage Shorstop although Lategum was looking for Shortstop + 10 Pure buds.
    I asked Eriksson how he could get it, he replied me that he could buy these from the steam community market (I have no proof of him saying this as it was in the older chat that isn't available anymore).
    We came back to the deal of the Vintage Shortstop + Searing Plasma Noh Mercy for my Sunbeams Brotherhood of arms.
    I finally considered it because, and only because Lategum said that he was interested to get the Shortstop if I added some on top of it (the final deal was Shortstop + 6 keys + Haunted Phantasm Jr Chieftain's Challenge + Haunted Phantasm Jr Hetman's Headpiece) for his Scorching Noh Mercy. I developped the idea of gathering several Noh's in order to sell them to finally cash out of TF2.
    I was busy and asked Eriksson to send the trade offer to make the trade as quick as possible with Lategum so I wouldn't risk anything for long. But he didn't send one but asked me to send one, that was something that I wasn't confident with. When I had spare time, Eriksson and I made the trade (proof in the trade history). Before and meanwhile we were doing it, I asked several times if Lategum was here, ready to trade the Scorching Noh Mercy for the said deal. When I got the items, I traded Lategum but he didn't answer. Then he told me to send a trade offer and added "I'll accept once I'm back at the pc"... That sentence didn't reassured me to be honest. I've been waiting for the whole hour that he said he would take to get back on pc. He launched TF2, I talked to him, even tried to join his session but he closed it quick and went offline a few minutes later, he did not answer me since.
    Concern Eriksson, it is the same. They did not block me but both stopped answering my messages or went offline. I've been scammed. Here are provided the most recent chats I had, one with Lategum and the other with Eriksson. I wish I could get my Brotherhood of arms back or get the said deal Lategum spoke about for his Scorching Noh Mercy. However, I'm aware that Steamrep can't do anything concerns that. My report concerns two persons. That is why I have the exact same description for each Lategum's and Eriksson reports.​

    Provide Evidence:
    Down there is the first part of the chat I had with Eriksson and Lategum. I'm using two screens that is why it is displayed like that.
    View attachment 170126
    Down there is the second part of the chat : View attachment 170127

    Then it is the third and last part of the chat : View attachment 170128

    I also uploaded the discussions I had with them in text documents, they are attached files. Here are the screenshots of the trade history with each concerned hat.
    View attachment 170133 View attachment 170134 View attachment 170136
    I watched the Steamrep guide on Youtube, concern the last part which asks for "Proof that you verified the identity of the person" I'm not too sure about how making them because it is said in the video that there would be a short tutorial concern that part. If you need me to do something more (with a specific way), tell me. I've taken screenshots of me being on their steam profile page to try to prove that I'm talking of these 2 persons and that they weren't impersonated.
    View attachment 170132 View attachment 170131

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  2. Lava

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    I would say, all things considered, your proof of identity is reasonably covered. That part of a report can be tricky, but there are enough pieces here to tie both accused into this report.

    What you have here looks like a glimmer drop scam, so I'm marking it as ready for review by an admin. Your screenshots show, among other things, LateGum's agreement to trade his Noh Mercy. There is a little bit more investigation that needs to be done in order to prove this, and apply a tag, but that evidence is beyond my ability to get.

    Full SteamRep block of LateGum, taken from linked Outpost trade, for searchability purposes:
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  3. Eriksson

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    We talked a couple of hours, then you decided to accept my offer of the shortstop and the noh mercy. I said multiple times that this was my final offer, and I wasn't willing to trade it or replace it. The trade was final. It was your choice to negotiate with lategum to sell your shortstop to him, and your own responsibility. I had nothing to do with that. You asked me multiple times to get the other noh mercy, and I said no. You only wanted both those noh mercy's tho, so you talked to lategum if he could trade it. He just retracted his offer, I don't think there is something wrong with that. You could either just remove both of us, or get a deal with no risk. You are the one however who kept talking to us, and you wanted the noh mercy. I don't see why either me and lategum are accused of scamming now, because you are the one who traded me, and you accepted my offer. Lategum just retracted his offer, which he has all rights for to do so.
  4. ๖ۣۜVox™

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    When I published the reports on Steamrep, it was Monday 17 November at 2:00 am. After I turned off my computer, I checked my phone and figured out something. I have access to the chats that I had with Lategum and Eriksson on the Steam Mobile Application. Some parts of the 2 conversations that I had with them were unavailable on computer that is why I mentioned, in the concerned parts, that I had no proof of what I said because the chat was too old. I do not have the whole conversation that I had with Lategum on Sunday but I have some that are older (the oldest being the 16 October 2014).

    Here are each chats that are still available on the Steam Mobile app :

    http://imgur.com/a/0k7qo

    http://imgur.com/a/glgeV#23

    If you attentively read the whole conversation with Lategum, you would notice that I haven't been very interested by the Vintage Shortstop itself in the past. Also, please, consider that I have forgot the fact that he owned the Secret TC / Searing Noh / Blizz Hazmat / 2 vintage shortstop at the same time once (some weeks before the scam occurred). I only figured out once I've made my research.

    I can now prove the part that says that Eriksson is able to get earbuds through the market (and not the community market, my fault) http://i.imgur.com/lZf2ORu.png . I don't know if it helps a lot here but it is at least proven.

    In the following part of my reply, I will try to prove that Lategum and Eriksson are sharing their items with each other in order to fake offers or mislead people (and it concerns me at least). In fact, I'm the victim of a frame-up. They also seem to be involved in trading with scammers.

    First of all : I don't have the full chat with Lategum and Eriksson that I had on Sunday. Some parts of them are available on the Steam Mobile Application but the beginning is missing. In fact, there isn't the part that tells about the fact that Lategum sold 1 of his 2 vintage shortstop for a Secret Team Captain and a Blizzardy Storm Hazmat.

    However, I do have screenshots that proves that he used to own the Secret Team captain, Blizzardy Storm Hazmat and the Searing Plasma Noh Mercy at the same time.

    It is proven by these screenshots :

    If you see the beginning of this conversation, it

    http://i.imgur.com/vCA430o.png

    http://i.imgur.com/BrnNBfB.png

    http://i.imgur.com/EHLYmPE.png

    Then, by checking the Searing Noh, Blizzardy Hazmat and Secret TC history, you can notice a few things :

    -Lategum traded his Searing Noh to Eriksson --> http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3165511517,361,5

    -The Secret TC was multiple times traded from Eriksson to Lategum and one more time back to Eriksson. You can also notice that the secret TC has been duped 5 times http://www.tf2items.com/item/3045531649 . If I'm not making any mistakes, every time an owner of a Duped TC trades his item to someone else, it appears in everyone owner's history. One dupe of the Secret TC went through a scammer backpack but isn't in it anymore.

    ( Scammer's bp http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198066478249/ and reputation http://steamrep.com/search?q=76561198066478249 ).

    The only persons that appear after the scammer's name are Weebly, Eriksson, Lategum and someone called Y152 who seems be the new and current owner of the dupe that was owned by Lategum (Y152 is the person who Lategum bought the Scorching Noh from).

    Weebly still owns his dupe (11/18/2014), it currently appears in his backpack : http://www.tf2items.com/id/Weebster/ .

    What I'm trying to prove here is that Eriksson may have bought the Secret TC from the scammer and then traded Lategum who kind of brokered it. Even if I can't prove the fact that Lategum said that he sold his shortstop to Eriksson for a secret tc + blizz hazmat (because I didn't launch the steam mobile app meanwhile we talked about it) I still think that they were both involved in fishy activities. Even if it doesn't have a direct link to my case, I'm just doing research about each hats Lategum owns.

    - The blizzardy storm Hazmat Headcase never went through Eriksson's backpack, noticeable here http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3155054336,783,5

    Note that what they have done (a frame up that led to a scam) seemed to be planned as they created a bp.tf price suggestion a few hours after they got the BoA : http://backpack.tf/vote/id/546903bab98d8872468b4671

    It didn't succeed and they failed (16 negative votes out of 18).

    Their price suggestion wasn't very acceptable as Lategum had a B/O of 75 buds on his Vintage shortstop : it was written by Deduction in the price suggestion but here is a screenshot that I made http://i.imgur.com/IKKje3K.jpg

    After they got the hat (i use the word "they" because to me they are clearly partners), I took the screenshot of the notes that were available Monday evening (17 November, around 9 pm) http://i.imgur.com/2Vzpbiy.jpg (by the way I figured out how to crop my left screen on the screenshot). You can notice that Lategum raised his B/O by 5 buds (from 75 to 80). These notes are still on the site at the time I write this. I made another screenshot in case you doubt about the last screenshot being legit http://i.imgur.com/GaOf876.jpg .

    Lategum answered me this http://i.imgur.com/64ySzx2.jpg

    Lategum said that he got offered 70 "pure" on his Noh Mercy. I assume that "pure" are earbuds. I don't think that the "offer" he mentioned was legit as he says that it is a "private deal". By the way such an offer and a price settled at 85, he would have taken it instantly, wouldn't he ? The next day (Wednesday 19) he told me that it the one who offered "is getting it soon" http://i.imgur.com/rb9DbPj.jpg

    By the way, if someone were collecting 70 buds on the Scorching Noh, wouldn't he come here first http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22555365 ? I'm wondering this because That One Guy is clearly looking for 70 buds and has this post opened for 2 months now.

    Eriksson removed me from his friend list (11/18/2014).

    The following part contains proofs that Lategum and Eriksson are sharing their item. It might be in order to create fake offers and / or to make people believe what they sold their stuff for is true :

    -- http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198122005972?time=1415347200 Eriksson owns vintage earbuds the 7 November. Lategum told that he bought, himself, the Noh Mercy for the earbuds in the conversation we had, evidence here :

    - http://i.imgur.com/BrnNBfB.png

    - and there (top of the chat) http://i.imgur.com/JohAF9a.png

    To me, this constitutes a proof of the fact that Eriksson and Lategum are freely sharing their items. It isn't something bad in itself but I assume that they want to create frames-up from there.

    -- http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198122005972?time=1415520000 the 9 November, Eriksson owns a Searing plasma Noh mercy. I guess that it was bought from the unboxer who has a private BP ( http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197998831486 ), that last one might have received the Vintage earbuds in exchange.

    A weird thing happened in his backpack : 2 vintage shortstops come out of nowhere, might be another proof that Erikkson and Lategum are sharing their items and are partners.

    There's nothing new in Eriksson's backpack until the 15 November : http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198122005972?time=1416038400

    only 1 vintage shortstop remains in his backpack but he still have the Searing Noh Mercy.

    Here is the whole discussion available that I had with Lategum http://imgur.com/a/glgeV#23

    It starts the 16 october when we were negotiating about my Brotherhood of arms and ends when the trade with eriksson was made. There is a missing part (maybe one of the most important tho), you can notice it because it starts when we were already discussing : http://i.imgur.com/8NO3yo1.png

    Here is the chat with Eriksson http://imgur.com/a/0k7qo#11 . The beginning is also missing as you can notice.

    Concern the part where I said that they were involved in trading with scammers :

    --Eriksson bought the following Vintage gibus hat http://www.tf2items.com/item/3170324453 (isn't duped ) directly from a scammer http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/285768 and https://steamrep.com/?id=76561198061436237

    -So did he for : http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3029319084,30030,5

    http://www.tf2items.com/item/3169180734 it isn't duped

    -So he sold this http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,2746036688,863,1 to the same guy who he bought the gibus from.

    -So he bought this too http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,2758259822,378,5

    Doesn't seem duped (tf2 Op thread, 3 months old)

    -Unless it is duped, it also applies here http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,2745491105,158,5

    I stopped my research after finding these.

    By the way, there is still a report here http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198122005972-tf2-team-fortress-2-items.80807/

    --Lategum bought his Arcana Viewfinder

    http://www.tf2items.com/item/3203095592

    http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3069540371,30140,5

    from a guy who knowingly marked scammers and their alts http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/190320

    Even if this person isn't marked on steamrep, he has a pending report of a year old about the same kind of frame up Lategum and Eriksson did to me http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/76561198044202601-and-76561198055742343.29383/

    It seems that Eriksson and Lategum are trying to cover up their activities by creating a fake video about their "spycrab"

    I took a screenshot in case they remove the video http://i.imgur.com/OGVbapp.jpg

    The quality of the video is pretty low, you can also notice that at 2:03 (here http://i.imgur.com/7lApuzs.jpg ), the server is offering a spycrab plugin in order to record the spycrab events... But they didn't even use it, it would have been much simplier, rather than taking a "tablet" to record, as mentioned in the video description. There is also something fishy about this video, it is written in the description "Eriksson = Arcana virtual viewfinder, Scorching Noh Mercy, Pro. Ks. Vintage Shortstop." I assume that it is what Eriksson crabbed. But how did he get them at the beginning then ?

    I worked on this answer until 10:31 pm, the 11/18/2014, CET then went to bed. I found out about the video on Wednesday (11/19). Note that I'm not able anymore to get hands on the conversations from where I took the screenshots of, it has been wiped off my phone. I think that seeing screenshots from Steam Mobile isn't very common, if you would need me to prove that these are genuine and legit, you would have to tell me how to do so as I already thought about it but didn't figured out how I should do it. If you need more details, feel free to tell me or even adding me as a steam friend. If you notice a non-sense, something being false or screenshots that doesn't match what I'm arguing, let me know.

    I'm now editing screenshots and / or using the Snipping tool from Windows, tell me if the screenshots are still acceptable. I took time to give form to my report, I hope you will consider each of its part. I tried to put as many details as I could. I'm still interested to get the scorching noh or trade back for the sunbeams boa (with a preference for the noh though as it was what I planned to get) but both Lategum and Eriksson declined the trade offers I've sent to them. It seems that I'm blocked by Eriksson as I can't post on tf2 OP : http://i.imgur.com/egQ6cSb.jpg

    I personally asked Lategum if I can trade with Eriksson http://imgur.com/qK9sxsr

    Lategum replied that Eriksson doesn't care. I'm not really playing the double agent but I think that he is kidding me when he said that he "asked" Eriksson.

    Everything that is written above this was made from Monday to Wednesday included. I needed some more evidences to prove my statements.

    Concern the spycrab video, I exactly asked when it occurred. He replied :

    "no idea" ; "some time ago". http://i.imgur.com/AKsd1FZ.jpg

    To be honest, I don't think that you can forgot when you received a Scorching Noh Mercy and an Arcana Viewfinder if you crabbed for them and risked "10k". It is another proof of the fact that he's manipulating people, prices, which impacts people and allows him to make profitable trades due to frame-ups.

    Eriksson self admitted that he's a part of a trade scam and tries to twist the story about it http://backpack.tf/trust/76561198123907426

    http://puu.sh/cYMU4/ef9c912e0c.png


    Each time I was updating this file, I wrote down here. I don't want you to think that I tried to hide evidences, it is just that I preferred making a complete description with proven statements and it took me several days, I've also been busy this week. Again, I would prefer to get the Scorching Noh as it was planned or get my stuff back rather than seeing them banned. But I wanted to be heard, I think that I've done it right. I want to spread the truth about my case in order to prove that I've been a victim of Lategum and Eriksson. I posted this answer on both reports.

    It is now 10:41 pm (clock of my computer), 11/20/2014, CET.
  5. Eriksson

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    Well 1st of all, Vox knew Lategum and I knew eachother already. You talked a couple of hours on a trade server with him, when he made an offer including my items on the BoA. When you said that Lategum didn't have all the stuff, he linked my backpack. You can check yourself in the history of lategums backpack that he never had all the items of the offer. Vox checked if everything was clean, so he knew I Lategum had access to my stuff.
    Second of all, he was the one offering 2:1. I declined multiple times as I was originally offering 1:1. He convinced me doing 2:1 however by providing me fake c/o's. He told me he got offered a burning dread hood + 20 in 1st gens, http://gyazo.com/0d43fe85056d6b104ec79e34d46da8a2 which he actually never got offered. http://gyazo.com/c65e446023b9f5380b0ae260aa55bb4c This was pretty much the reason I traded 2:1. I can also make a scam report because Vox provided me fake offers, so he could get my stuff.
    3d of all, Lategum actually got someone collecting the 70 pure for him, you can ask lategum for all the proof.
    And last, the offer of lategum was legit, as he values the shortstop at 75. He (and previous owners) has paid ~50 for his own shortstop, and he got offers of it aswell. However there are still people saying thing like: "haha the shortstop is worth nothing". Well unless you have something to prove lategum wrong, he will still keep valuing it at 75, and ignore the useless comments. So the reason lategum retracted is because of the 70 pure offer, which he can use as he told Vox already.
    Pretty low to not tell what really happend and twist it. Only because I did not want to trade my items back.
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    @๖ۣۜVox™ @Eriksson All images need to be uploaded as attachments. Please do not link to 3rd-party sites like imgur or puu.sh for your evidence.
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  10. ๖ۣۜVox™

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    I first, give the evidences that the Secret TC and Searing Noh Mercy have been shared between Lategum and Eriksson (they support what I wrote above). By the way, I'm only posting on this report thread because it is more convenient that uploading and posting on both reports.
    http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3165511517,361,5
    http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3158349718,378,5
    Other proof that they are sharing their items :
    http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3069540371,30140,5
    http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3071943915,220,3
    http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3161905190,143,3
    http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3069540404,116,3
    I'm also uploading here the conversation I had with Eriksson and some screenshots that Lava wanted me to upload.
    Chat with Eriksson:
    IMG_0728.PNG IMG_0729.PNG IMG_0730.PNG IMG_0731.PNG IMG_0732.PNG IMG_0733.PNG IMG_0734.PNG IMG_0735.PNG IMG_0736.PNG IMG_0737.PNG IMG_0738.PNG IMG_0739.PNG

    Being blocked by eriksson.JPG
  11. ๖ۣۜVox™

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    I'm uploading here the 15 first screenshots of the conversation I had with Lategum. It starts the 16 October. These are from Steam Mobile though. That is why I have a lots of them. As you can notice, it was very late when I took them. I didn't take enough cautions to see the above text at each new screenshot, sorry, there could be missing parts.

    It should be sorted chronologically. (By the way, I uploaded the same post on the other thread, by mistake. I'm only uploading them here, unless you want me to do on both threads. It is just more for a practical reason. I didn't delete it anyway).

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    The 15 other screenshots. The last one of the last reply was IMG_0754. It goes now from IMG_0755 to IMG_0769.
    On the IMG_0764 starts a new conversation, it is the 8 November. Lategum is offering his Searing Noh IMG_0767.PNG
    and told that he bought it for Vintage Earbuds IMG_0768.PNG

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    Just noticed that I missed IMG_0767 IMG_0767.PNG and IMG_0768 IMG_0768.PNG

    The following uploaded screenshots are from IMG_0767 to IMG_781

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    Here is the discussion that I had with Lategum until now. 17 nov and 19 nov chat with Lategum.jpg 23 nov.JPG
    I uploaded the conversation I had with Neutron (IMG_0871 to IMG_0878).


    ------ The following text answers what Eriksson said to me.

    First of all, I'd like to say that we may have, including Eriksson, misinterpreted what the other said.

    -In Eriksson's screenshot (shown in his reply), he's asking the following question "what was the exact offer of the burning dread hood?", I thought he was asking what exactly Neutron sold it for as I said that it went for "AF ke + 30 buds in unusuals". By the way, if Neutron have added stuff on top of his Hiding hood, I would have used the " + " like in the other offers I mentioned. IMG_0733.PNG

    -Neutron offered me his Dread hiding hood a while ago. It was even written in my tf2 outpost notes but as he requested a few days later, I removed it.

    I didn't take the Neutron's offer even if it was up for a while. He finished by retracting it the 3rd November and sold it the 11 November. But I told Eriksson what Neutron sold his hood for, which was :

    An "anti KE" + "between 20-30 worth", I believe that Neutron was talking in earbuds value.

    IMG_0874.PNG

    -I NEVER mentioned the fact that Neutron offered me these items ("AF KE + between 20-30 worth"), I just wrote down what his item went for (and it was between parenthesis, I specified that it "got sold for" if you look at the conversation). Maybe it wasn't obvious enough.

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    -That is why I believe Eriksson misinterpreted what I answered to him. I did make a mistake about the fact that it was "between 20-30" and not "3O buds" straight, also the fact that it was "worth" and not necessarily "unusuals" like I mentioned. The thing is that Eriksson kind of corrected it because he wrote "you said + 20 in unsuausl" that is 10 buds lower than what I said, but still corresponds to what Neutron said.

    I NEVER twisted the truth nor meant to twist it. I NEVER made a fake history or even lied. It wouldn't be up to me to do so. However, I could misread, misinterpret sentences or forget details.


    Second of all, Eriksson said that he got offered a "cloudy moon tc" for his shortstop... I didn't believe it one second that it was I didn't even ask for a proof. IMG_0736.PNG I don't know if that statement proves anything, it is just in case you would have a question for me.

    By the way, to the sentence
    I don't remember this at all and I'm here very honest with you. I'm assuming that you're lying here, if you have any proof that what you said really happened, you should upload it here but I'm sure that I would have remembered this if it happened. By the way, I made the whole description of what happened the same day. It would have been in there.

    When you say
    What offer are you referring to ? What do you think I "checked" ?

    I never knew that Lategum had access to "your" stuff as I thought you were two persons, with no obvious link (like, that guy is my friend with a link to his steam profile page)... I used quotation marks to describe "your" stuff because Lategum and you are just swapping the stuff with each other, I don't even know who exactly owns what.

    Eriksson, you even asked me if I have the specific name of the person who offered me "the burning dread offer". IMG_0739.PNG

    well as you said it is the burning dread offer, not the burning dread "+20" nor "+20 in 1st gens". Moreover, I didn't mentioned "1st gens" but you did. Isn't it a proof that you're making up a story just to flee with the stuff ?


    Third of all, when you say
    well, you did first. I even wrote it back between quotation marks what you first offered. IMG_0728.PNG


    Also Lategum, I see on the screenshots that you're talking with nice people. Such as DuskieTheDuck http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/76561198148369522 who's the alt of http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/155750 who's marked https://steamrep.com/?id=76561198026133530 . I don't think that it is a coincidence that you're talking with a person that has the exact name of the Scammer's alt. I do not know what you said to him though, I'm just noticing it.


    Lategum is clearly involved in trading with scammers, he even "middlemanned" a trade for one. The who one traded the scammer bought the Secret TC for 20 earbuds, pure. It is most likely Eriksson because it is the person who first appear in the history after the scammer's name http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3158349718,378,5 .

    Lategum is aware of what he has done. And even says : "i'll accept my bann".
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    It seems that I didn't succeed to upload IMG_767 and IMG_768 in my past replies, they seems to be "deeplinked". My bad. Here they are.

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    17:21 - Eriksson: so searing noh + v shortstop
    17:21 - Vox™: y
    17:22 - Eriksson: it's kinda tempting bc of the offers you got
    17:25 - Eriksson: what was the exact offer of the burning dread hood?
    17:25 - Vox™: Already told you
    17:25 - Vox™: twice
    17:25 - Eriksson: you said + 20 in unsuausl
    17:26 - Vox™: that's it
    17:26 - Eriksson: 1st gens?
    17:26 - Vox™: most probably

    Yup that's definetly AF KE + 20 in 1st gens and not Burning Dread + 20 in 1st gens. When I asked you if he only offered the burning dread you said he was adding, which are those 20 in st gens. And you even told me the burning dread sold for AF KE + 30 in unusuals which was 22 pure, so you are really changing everything... Like everything you are saying is legit..
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    Does that change the fact that he told me that he got offered the b. Dread + 20 in 1st gens? After everything you've said now, I can't even take you serious anymore, I'm sorry. Think before you post, aswell as you lied on the price suggestion of your own hat.
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    So when I told you the burning dread hood was kinda low for the BoA and asked you if he added, you said he did, which was 20 in 1st gens. When I asked you again to confirm it you said yes again, as there is proof in the screenshots.
    It makes no sense that you would tell me it sold for an AF KE + 30, and when I ask if it sold for 20 saying yes. As you were offering your BoA on both my shortstop and Noh I wanted some decent offers on the BoA, and not do a 2:1 if you didn't have any good offers. However the last thing you would do is lower your C/O (B. Dread) and tell me it sold for af ke + 20 when you told it sold for af ke + 30 before. You are totally making up 20-30 buds price range as I see it in this thread for the first time. So the only way you could really get acces to my stuff, was providing me a fake offer of B. Dread + 20 in unusuals, which the screenshots correspondents.

    And probably the biggest lie you are telling us is that you didn't know lategum and I know eachother. On your last outpost trade of the BoA, you provide a full description of lategums offer. You even tell which hats are clean and which ones aren't. So please don't say you randomly invented the unusuals and it's states without checking if the offer even was legit, thus not checking my backpack. That would be the biggest nonsense.

    Also, I got offered a cloudy moon team captain on the same stuff i bought the BoA for, which is the shortstop and the searing noh. You even told me that It was gifted yourself, making it low. And now you suddenly didn't believe me and say something completely different than in our conversation? Again.

    You are also telling us a lot of "information" that you did too less research for. Which has at outcome that the majority is incorrect. Maybe the best thing is that the SR admins already know what happend to the items such as the secret TC. Which you stated I bought from the scammer and gave it to Lategum. If you put a bit more effort into doing research, you'd see that lategum has a warning tag for buying the item. You are providing lots of these things as "proof" to the SR admins, and the first thing they see is that it's incorrect, as they know what actually happend. Awkward.

    However you are still trying to tell people it was a scam, when you have no proof, but ony a nice story I can easily whipe away with your own proof..
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    What I saw in a earlier post, was a part of the conversation as text, can you upload the whole conversation part with both question and confirmation as picture as attachment?
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    You still arguing about that part. I'm wondering, when you asked me " what was the exact offer of the burning dread hood?" did you want to know what was the offer of Neutron that I already told before or did you want to know what it went for as I wasn't very clear when I answered "got sold for AF ke + 30 buds in unusuals" ? Because it is the last part which I answered to.

    Maybe I misinterpreted what you said. It seems that you wanted to know what I got offered from Neutron. But I already told you once, that is why I thought you would want to know what Neutron sold it for (an answer that is more precise than "30 buds in unusuals") and that is why I said "that's it" to "you said + 20 in unsuausl".

    This matches with what I said the 23 november :

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    I didn't lower my C/O, it was still the Burning Dread Hiding Hood. And well, what would have been the point to lower of 10 buds the content of a deal if I wanted to trade with you ?

    I just remembered what Neutron said at the time. I explained it here.
    That is all why I said to ""you said + 20 in unsuausl".

    Here is what Neutron said to me, I'm putting it again so you get my point of view IMG_0874.PNG


    I already counter-proved that, there:

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    It isn't a lie. I did not know that Lategum and you were in touch. It is one of the first thing Aditya told me when he saw that the sunbeams BoA was traded to you. Facts.PNG Facts2.PNG

    First, I didn't mean that I got offered the B.dread +20.

    Second to " So the only way you could really get acces to my stuff" why would it be the only way ? I listed a few other offers that weren't bad, how could it be the only offer that would prove the value of the BoA ? As I know, you sold it for a golden pan + $1200 USD IMG_0868.PNG IMG_0869.PNG IMG_0870.PNG

    I asked Lategum when we were in the trade session for the BoA back in October. He told me which items were clean, which ones weren't.

    I checked the Stash http://www.tf2items.com/item/3264521612

    I checked the Gibus http://www.tf2items.com/id/twigmirror

    I checked them because these were the most expensive items of the offer. They could also be potentially duped items.


    I may have noticed that Lategum and you traded multiple times but some people are brokering items for others. Ian_Dukeman and Neutron for example, that is why it didn't bring my attention http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23163628

    http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3065846217,110,5

    http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3065846213,1095,5

    I couldn't know that there would be something fishy going on 2 months later.
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    You're extrapoling. I said that there's one that is gifted, referring to the one being gifted by Mattie http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3262885463,378,5 . I said that because there isn't many Cloudy Moon TC for sale on tf2 OP and that one may have been the one you got offered. I didn't check if there was only one TC for sale or not at the time. But it seemed so, only one that is clean was on on tf2 OP, 3 weeks ago at most. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23699749

    3 weeks ago is still after the scam occured. By the way, I didn't say that it was "making it low".

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    I don't remember giving my opinion anywhere in the chat when you said it.
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    Yes I spent a lot of time doing my research. I agree that the SR admins are most probably better aware of what happened to the Secret TC than me. I dealt with what I had which was 19 october chat aditya and lategum.png . He also confirmed me that Lategum middlemanned for you.
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    Therefore, I think that you are the one who bought it... and it appears to be exact.http://forums.f-o-g.eu/threads/4188-76561198066265426-lategum.html

    Consequently, what did I miss when you say "the first thing they see is that it's incorrect" ? Where am I wrong ?

    "they know what actually happend" then it's all good.
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    Did you read everything I wrote ? You even tried to cover your scam and other skullduggery by creating a fake spycrab video... Isn't it enough by itself ? I'm also trying to prove that Lategum and you were both involved in suspicious activities (trading with scammers). It doesn't seem that I'm the only victim by the way, some people came to me too. I currently have a concrete proof of one guy named "tor" who Lategum "screwed" over his arcana view as he said. IMG_1021.PNG IMG_1022.PNG IMG_1023.PNG


    As he said, it is very low of you of twisting the truth for your owns gains. By the way,


    What's wrong with him ? He said 2 sentences, his unique message makes more sense than everything you have said by now. By the way, what's the link with his price suggestion ? Is it me or you tried a low blow ?


    Oh and, last but not least... Isn't it childish to make fun of me because you managed to scam me ?

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