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Declined Report: 76561198367801715 - ([Steam] Trading Cards)

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  1. Wa-Ta-Shi I yes

    Wa-Ta-Shi I yes New User

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    Scam Report

    Report Type: [Other] Any other fraudulent behavior
    Virtual item type involved: [Steam] Trading Cards

    Accused profile: 76561198367801715

    Victim profile: 76561198194889098

    What happened? Description:
    I was friends with him for 2-3 years maybe even more, after we did a lot of small trades from time to time now few days ago we made a big trade that he would give me site currency from a site called Steamlvlup.com 1.7m balance worth 673 tf2 keys and i would give him 9199 full sets. After 2 days i still hadnt got the tf2 keys and wanted to write him and saw than that he removed me from everywhere, as also other people i know which i asked if they could look him up. He blocked me everywhere and i cant even text him anymore why he did this. I lost more than 60% of all my money and dont know why he did it.

    I sended the 9199 sets from 3 different accounts because i had them on different once. I used a script so he can buy them like a card bot. So i lend him 45 tf2 keys so he bought sets from me and gave those keys back later. The keys in the trades are not his, those are the once i lended him to make the progress faster.

    to make it short:

    I sended him 9199 sets and he should have send me 673 tf2 keys which he didnt.
    + he removed me and other friends which we both knew from his friendlist.​

    Provide Evidence:
    full chat logs are around 100 images, I could only attach 15 in total so yea. I sended the important 10 which i think are the most important + the rest of the evidence i can provide when asked or so because i cant add any more images to it. I Uploaded the as much images as i could.​

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  2. Horse

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    You are lacking any formal agreement, mobile screens are super hard to review..need the FORMAL agreement regardless and so far you've not provided that.
    Lastly trading with this user means you must prove that you were supposed to be paid/traded by a specific account be it the owner or by ID64 which I'm afraid to say unless it was with this user you can't prove this that I know of and I've been doing this for a long time so lots of doubt here you can prove all of this. Your screenshots of the trade you did with them is unacceptable not per screenshot guide..also if you can take screenshots of the trade thru a PC why can't you or didn't you save the initial chat logs vs trying to pass mobile...again very hard to review as it starts off clear back to the 5th.
    I'm not going to milk thru a ton of replies so I'll let you provide everything you need to prove the situation on next reply.
    https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/screenshot-guide-requirements.157969/

    Also heads up - the initial report you made was declined because you were trying to host evidence outside of the report. We require things hosted here - that is what the Discord response was supposed to say, that was my mistake however the situation still applies.
  3. Wa-Ta-Shi I yes

    Wa-Ta-Shi I yes New User

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    He removed me from Steam, and i cant open the chat logs with him anymore.

    I will try to find a way to open them on my PC. It was agreed that I would get the keys like weekly 20 tf2 keys per week and so i waited and after 2 days when i wanted to check his profile i couldnt find him.

    I found out that i can use the steam chat history if that works for you? I uploaded some examples on how i can do it on the PC. the chats need to be read from bottom to top this way.

    In a screenshot i sended earlier it does confirm that he agreed on the trade -> 627 tf2 keys for 8.5k sets and you can see that I sended the sets by the numbers 550/8500 and so going on.

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  4. Horse

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    Going to need the formal agreement thru the mobile with a date clearly showing along with the section of those get message logs - we don't accept get friend message logs alone that was clearly noted on the links you were given already. I can maybe compare the two but you MUST have the logs thru the mobile there showing the formal agreement explaining exactly the amount/items and time frame for which you were supposed to get items/trade items etc... then we can work on comparing all that to trade history.
    You said a few accounts involved... what accounts? ID64's required... trade history to those accounts if they were yours, trade history... you are lacking severely here on proving anything or properly. This seems like a very complicated trade you started therefore will be very complicated to prove and that burden is on you not us.
    https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-submission-fundamentals.169802/

    You need to step back from the situation - put yourself into the shoes of someone that has no idea what is going on and provide proper proof of the situation.
  5. Wa-Ta-Shi I yes

    Wa-Ta-Shi I yes New User

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    So i need the chat logs on the mobile only ? I dont really get it so the mobile once and the history on pc or only mobile chat logs. Do you want me to write the Dates on the screenshots or how do i get the formal logs.

    I sended the chat logs where we agreed on the trade (those chat logs are from 5.december)
    -> 12.jpg = he says that he has that much site currency which i should get at steamlvlup.
    -> 13.jpg = he says 8575 sets for 1,757,879 site currency (2800 site currency = 1 TF2 key) on steamlvlup which is around 627 tf2 keys and he asks so we have a deal?
    -> 14.jpg = I say that it would be 627,84 TF2 keys so it should be fine even if they change so yes.

    Steamlvlup has a function order tf2 keys which you will get slowly (it takes up to 2-3 days for 10 keys to arrive) and he ordered the keys for me and after 2 days he removed me without a single word. We didnt talk about it because we both knew how the site works as you can see in 2.jpg (5.december) you can see that he said: yeah but you wont mind waiting more for keys ? I guees its fair for both of us? and I said: im fine

    and as you can see in the other parts of the chat there are numbers like 5000/8575 which mean that he got those already.

    My other accounts involved id64:

    1. 76561199000449225 https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199000449225/
    2. 76561199209115198 https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199209115198/
    3. 76561198999232443 https://steamcommunity.com/id/samesetexchange/

    I will send Trade History of each so you can see they interacted with him. I can provide all trade logs as well if needed via email maybe or so because i cant send all at once here.

    from those in total 8575 sets were sent to him. But I cant upload all screenshots because only 15 files are allowed if we can find a way I will do my best to provide all. He also confirmed that he received all 97.jpg (8.december)

    Please let me know further what we I need to do so I can give you all that information needed.

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    You can't just "write" dates on screenshots - that would be editing and not allowed. This is why mobile is hard to review because of the lack of ways to verify the timing of the entire event or verifying that it did in fact happen...sorry but you can't just go by your words must have proper evidence as required this is all noted on screenshot guide and the link I gave you on previous reply.

    The screenshots of those logs you just sent have no dates and aren't acceptable. I'll give you 48hours to provide proper evidence as required then will review the report.
  7. Wa-Ta-Shi I yes

    Wa-Ta-Shi I yes New User

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    at the beginning of each day it says the date so if i include all chat logs 1 by 1 its fine ?
  8. Wa-Ta-Shi I yes

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  9. Horse

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    I need the formal agreement and details you and this user discussed in a chat screenshot that clearly shows date/time stamps.... I'm not sure how much more I can say it. Not trying to be difficult but this is required and everyone goes thru the same process. You are burdened with showing the proper evidence upon submission because of how serious it is to accuse someone of something like this.
    Also trade history not trade offers - it cleans things up a bit better from all accounts however they show the trades. As I said this is a complicated situation because you included multiple accounts and didn't get larger screenshots vs mobile.
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    1st one is fine - date on it ....the others have no date. Understand? This is why mobile is so...hard...to....review.
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    If you can include EACH mobile shot that shows the clear formal agreement noted between you both AND the getfriendmessage log that matches it I may be able to compare.

    Take your time - figure stuff out and reply. I'll check back in a few days.
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    chatlogs from beginning of day to ss 97.jpg

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    Wa-Ta-Shi I yes New User

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    Ok, so first i need is that with screenshots agreement after that we can talk again ?
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    Will give additional 48hours to provide the formal agreement mobile shots and the getfriendmessage logs that are the same..that is what I requested. The mobile shots you gave do not have dates on them...I need to compare. Also need to show trade history from each account that was getting items/gave items along with SR profile blocks of each account and detail description for each one that each was supposed to trade/receive etc.
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    I talked with the Steam support and they said that the messages probably got removed because they only hold them for 14 days :/
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