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Evidence Provided 76561198026342583 (Froll) Using stolen Paypal

Discussion in 'Previously Banned Reports' started by ZakMcRofl, Sep 14, 2013.

  1. ZakMcRofl

    ZakMcRofl New User

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    Victim (potential approached by him)
    | steamname: ZakMcRofl
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:0:460230
    | steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197961186188
    | customURL: http://steamcommunity.com/id/zakmcrofl
    | steamrep: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197961186188

    Victim (actual, will file steamrep report tomorrow)
    | steamname: Pandoracle
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:1:38115707
    | steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198036497143
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198036497143

    Scammer:
    | steamname: Froll
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:1:33038427
    | steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198026342583
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198026342583

    Screenshots:
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    Description:
    Approached me wanting to buy 3 Unusuals from me.
    I went through my vetting process (see below) and a lot of red flags came up:
    - He pointed out his 20 games yet he played only 3 of them
    - He was willing to go first with no discussions or question for rep
    - He was willing to pay my overpriced B/O and buy 3 random unusuals from one trade
    - He had an empty backpack
    - He claimed to have bought 3 buds but also said that he sold them for webmoney again to a friend
    - He gave me a wrong IP
    - He gave me a wrong country
    - When called out, he claimed that the IP was not actually his but a dedicated server

    So I added the last guy who repped him on the profile, Pandoracle, he had sold him 3 buds BUT Paypal is investigating the payment. Pandoracle will post his own report tomorrow, I just wanted to make sure that something shows up when people search for that guy.
    Also he is currently still buying stuff, so quick action was needed.
    Note that the email mentioned in the chat is most likely a stolen Paypal account, I decided to leave it here so the owner gets an idea on who hacked his paypal.


    Transcripts:
    Talk with scammer:
    Code:
     Never tell your password to anyone.
    Sonntag, 15. September 2013
    00:19 - ZakMcRofl: hi
    00:20 - Froll: Hello
    00:20 - Froll: sel unusual for paypal?
    00:20 - ZakMcRofl: yes, which one are you interested in
    00:21 - Froll: Bubbling Ol' Geezer 1.5 buds / $50
    Stormy Storm Hetman's Headpiece: epic effect 1.5 buds / $50
    Steaming Pencil Pusher 1.5 buds / $50
    00:21 - ZakMcRofl: let me just play my match, then i can take the time for it
    00:21 - Froll: ok
    00:26 - Froll: hey
    00:53 - ZakMcRofl: allright
    00:54 - ZakMcRofl: done with the match
    00:54 - ZakMcRofl: soooo
    00:54 - Froll: 3 unusual
    00:54 - ZakMcRofl: you are using paypal
    00:54 - Froll: 150 usd
    00:54 - ZakMcRofl: do you have rep?
    00:54 - Froll: I'm new, I do not have a reputation, but I want to make it
    00:54 - Froll: rep profile
    00:54 - ZakMcRofl: i see
    00:54 - Froll: 20+games
    00:54 - ZakMcRofl: so you would go first
    00:54 - Froll: i can go first
    00:55 - Froll: e mail?
    00:55 - Froll: notes?
    00:55 - ZakMcRofl: not so fast
    00:55 - ZakMcRofl: since you are new, i have to make some security questions first
    00:56 - Froll: ok
    00:56 - ZakMcRofl: where are you from
    00:56 - ZakMcRofl: (i am <nationality>)
    00:56 - Froll: united states
    00:56 - ZakMcRofl: ok will you be using a verified paypal account
    00:57 - Froll: verified paypal
    00:57 - ZakMcRofl: who does it belong to
    00:57 - Froll: im
    00:58 - ZakMcRofl: how long have you been playing tf2
    00:58 - Froll: 5+ hours
    00:58 - ZakMcRofl: have you ever bought via paypal
    00:59 - Froll: yes
    00:59 - Froll: e bay
    00:59 - ZakMcRofl: i meant tf2 items :)
    00:59 - Froll: yes
    00:59 - Froll: 3 buds
    00:59 - ZakMcRofl: oh cool
    00:59 - ZakMcRofl: where are they
    01:00 - Froll: sold for webmoney
    01:00 - ZakMcRofl: to whom
    01:01 - Froll: sidekick
    01:01 - ZakMcRofl: ?
    01:01 - ZakMcRofl: profile url
    01:01 - Froll: friend
    01:01 - Froll: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198093200774/
    01:03 - ZakMcRofl: ok last question now is a tough one, a scammer would not answer correctly to this one
    01:03 - ZakMcRofl: what's you ip?
    01:03 - ZakMcRofl: mine is
    01:03 - ZakMcRofl: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
    01:03 - Froll: what
    01:03 - ZakMcRofl: you can use a site like http://www.whatismyip.com/ or google for one, if you dont trust my link
    01:03 - ZakMcRofl: it can be used to track you down if you scam somebody
    01:04 - ZakMcRofl: cause it links you to your ISP account
    01:04 - Froll: Microsoft Windows 8 Microsoft Windows 8
    Chrome 29.0.
    01:05 - ZakMcRofl: not that, your IP address
    01:05 - ZakMcRofl: looks like mine
    01:05 - ZakMcRofl: 4 blocks of 3 digits
    01:05 - ZakMcRofl: (up to 3)
    01:05 - Froll: 86.184.48.96
    01:06 - ZakMcRofl: that's in the UK, how comes?
    01:06 - Froll: oh
    01:06 - Froll: bay
    01:06 - ZakMcRofl: what?
    01:06 - ZakMcRofl: why would you give me a fake ip?
    01:06 - Froll: You have a lot of questions
    01:06 - ZakMcRofl: yes
    01:07 - ZakMcRofl: i am not doing this for the first time you know
    01:07 - Froll: I will not give my ip
    01:07 - ZakMcRofl: why not, just curious
    01:07 - ZakMcRofl: can we talk?
    01:07 - Froll has ended the call.
    01:08 - Froll: Sell yes or no?
    01:09 - ZakMcRofl: 1 sec
    01:11 - ZakMcRofl: 83.149.48.69
    01:11 - ZakMcRofl: Novosibirsk, , Russian Federation
    01:11 - ZakMcRofl: so not only did you give me a wrong IP, you lied about your country as well
    01:12 - Froll: ahahah
    01:12 - Froll: Dedikated server
    01:12 - ZakMcRofl: for gaming?
    01:12 - ZakMcRofl: (I know what a dedicated server is, but who would use it for legitimate trading?)
    01:13 - ZakMcRofl: i talked to pandoracle
    01:13 - ZakMcRofl: he has some problems with your paypal transaction
    01:14 - ZakMcRofl: care to comment?
    01:28 - ZakMcRofl: allright, writing a steamrep report now
    
    Talk with actual victim:
    Code:
    Never tell your password to anyone.
    01:07 - Pandoracle: hello
    01:07 - ZakMcRofl: hey there
    01:08 - Pandoracle: you added me
    01:09 - ZakMcRofl: yes
    01:09 - ZakMcRofl: did you sell 3 buds to that guy
    01:09 - ZakMcRofl: froll
    01:09 - Pandoracle: yes
    01:09 - ZakMcRofl: i am not sure if he is not a scammer
    01:09 - ZakMcRofl: gave me a wrong ip
    01:09 - Pandoracle: what do you mean?
    01:10 - Pandoracle: and i know, it might have not been the best thing to do
    01:10 - Pandoracle: paypal blocked the money for research
    01:10 - ZakMcRofl: oh, already?
    01:10 - Pandoracle: does it mean he chargebacked?
    01:10 - ZakMcRofl: probably, he added me to buy more stuff
    01:11 - ZakMcRofl: be sure to make a steamrep report and remove your rep on his profile
    01:11 - Pandoracle: is there any chance for me to keep the money?
    01:11 - ZakMcRofl: probably not if its a stolen account
    01:12 - ZakMcRofl: i am talking to him as we speak
    01:12 - Pandoracle: i provided my trade history and our chat to paypal
    01:12 - Pandoracle: that's all i can do pretty much
    01:12 - Pandoracle: god i feel bad now
    01:13 - ZakMcRofl: steamrep.com
    01:13 - ZakMcRofl: report him
    01:13 - ZakMcRofl: did you re-add him
    01:13 - ZakMcRofl: to talk about the paypal issue
    01:13 - Pandoracle: i never deleted him
    01:13 - Pandoracle: when i accused him of scamming he didn't respond
    01:14 - ZakMcRofl: please file a steamrep report
    01:14 - ZakMcRofl: it will stop others from selling to him
    01:15 - Pandoracle: i think it's an alt anyway
    01:15 - ZakMcRofl: doesn't matter
    01:15 - Pandoracle: but it's really late right now, i got the screens i will see tomorrow
    01:15 - ZakMcRofl: report him
    01:15 - ZakMcRofl: ok
    01:15 - Pandoracle: right now i want to believe that i didn't get scammed
    01:16 - ZakMcRofl: you are dreaming mate
    01:16 - ZakMcRofl: he had the time to talk to me
    01:16 - ZakMcRofl: why would he not reply to you
    01:16 - Pandoracle: now he says he can give the buds back
    01:16 - ZakMcRofl: do it!
    01:17 - ZakMcRofl: seriously mate
    01:17 - ZakMcRofl: do it
    01:17 - ZakMcRofl: i have his ip, maybe that is what convinced him
    01:17 - ZakMcRofl: also screenshot anything he says
    01:17 - Pandoracle: now he says he will give the buds back tomorrow..
    01:18 - ZakMcRofl: tell him to give them back now
    01:18 - ZakMcRofl: he just wants to have another night of scamming with this account
    01:19 - Pandoracle: he says the "friend" he traded the buds too is not online
    01:19 - Pandoracle: darn it lies
    01:20 - ZakMcRofl: do you still have the paypal email he used
    01:20 - Pandoracle: yes
    01:20 - ZakMcRofl: would you share it with me, maybe we can find the owner
    01:20 - ZakMcRofl: cause i am pretty sure this is stolen (or his parent's)
    01:20 - Pandoracle: [email protected]
    01:21 - Pandoracle: can you do anything with that?
    01:21 - ZakMcRofl: https://www.facebook.com/bill.griffith.961
    01:21 - ZakMcRofl: that's the owners facebook account
    01:21 - ZakMcRofl: i don't use facebook
    01:22 - ZakMcRofl: but you should try to contact him
    01:22 - ZakMcRofl: then again could be the scammer himself
    01:22 - ZakMcRofl: who knows
    01:22 - Pandoracle: it doesn't look like he is very active on facebook
    01:22 - ZakMcRofl: yeah and lots of privacy settings
    01:22 - ZakMcRofl: you can send him an email via facebook
    01:22 - ZakMcRofl: some trick
    01:22 - ZakMcRofl: like [email protected]
    01:22 - ZakMcRofl: google it
    01:23 - ZakMcRofl: then again
    01:23 - ZakMcRofl: you could just email him :)
    01:23 - ZakMcRofl: chances are its compromised anyways
    01:24 - ZakMcRofl: http://www.kjv1611.org.uk/hivyersay/comment.php?gb_id=1713
    01:25 - ZakMcRofl: looks like it is the original owner
    01:25 - ZakMcRofl: i mean
    01:25 - ZakMcRofl: scammers are mostly kids
    01:25 - ZakMcRofl: this guy sounds like a religious nutcase but most likely not a gamer :)
    01:25 - ZakMcRofl: so stolen email
    01:26 - Pandoracle: what can i do about it then?
    01:26 - ZakMcRofl: nothing, you lost $100
    01:26 - ZakMcRofl: what did he pay you?
    01:26 - Pandoracle: 120
    01:26 - ZakMcRofl: if it is stolen, there is nothing you can do
    01:26 - ZakMcRofl: if it is just his parents, you might have a chance
    01:26 - ZakMcRofl: unlikely though
    01:27 - Pandoracle: that hurts to hear
    01:27 - ZakMcRofl: I know the feeling, i lost $200 to a scammer once
    01:27 - ZakMcRofl: well not really since the item was worth less than that
    01:27 - ZakMcRofl: but chargeback as well
    01:28 - Pandoracle: and paypal also investigated the purchase?
    01:28 - ZakMcRofl: i think it just said chargeback
    01:28 - ZakMcRofl: in this case they think the account was stolen
    01:28 - ZakMcRofl: in your case
    01:28 - ZakMcRofl: so the froze it
    01:28 - ZakMcRofl: probably
    01:28 - Pandoracle: i made him add a note against chargebacks
    01:29 - ZakMcRofl: worthless
    01:29 - ZakMcRofl: unfortunately
    01:29 - Pandoracle: goddamn i'm going to sleep bad tonight
    01:30 - Pandoracle: i should've been more careful
    01:33 - Pandoracle: thnks for your help, i'm off now, it's late
    01:34 - ZakMcRofl: ok, PLEASE file the report tomorrow
    01:34 - ZakMcRofl: i will mention you in mine
    01:34 - Pandoracle: i will
    01:34 - ZakMcRofl: it takes some time but might protect others
    01:35 - Pandoracle is now Offline.
    
  2. ZakMcRofl

    ZakMcRofl New User

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  5. Rico Lambrini

    Rico Lambrini New User

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    he added me to buy buds as well but never responded when i asked for rep. It was too suspicious at 1st glance, didnt want to deal with it. However sometimes i get ppl with a quite gaming profiles, i.e. 100-400 hours, very few games, v little in the bp, etc, wanted to buy buds, claiming it was for trading. I have done some of those, but it puzzles me. i have bought some qs buds from inactive gaming profiles, many of them turned out to be fine, or may be they are good at hiding things, it puzzles me as well. Paypal told u that it was a stolen paypal account, my guess is that the scammer just used a proxy to make it look like stolen.

    some Qs
    Is it possible to fund mulitple pp accounts with just 1 bank account, maybe he used 3 bank accounts
    at the instant u received the money, u withdraw it. can pp still stop it before its confirmed by the bank
    why do u think scammers are mostly kids
    how can the ip address be useful, and how can a dedicated server help them
    one man operation, or small scamming communities, or some big hidden networks
  6. ZakMcRofl

    ZakMcRofl New User

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    I had contact to a guy who was approached by the rightfull owner of one of these paypal accounts. So yeah, I am sure they are stolen not created by him. They also lead to several Facebook profiles.

    As for your other questions:
    The really good scammers are obviously older but the vast majority I meet are kids who really suck at it. They spycrab run or make fake raffles or claim to buy for paypal when they do not even own an account.

    The IP can be helpful because site admins can check which users signed in using that IP (think outpost, backpack.tf, Steamrep). It also can help prove when somebody is intentionally misleading people about his true location which a legit trader should not do (at least not in the context of a trust based money trade).

    By the way the guy is now Steamrep tagged, finally.
  7. Mystic Zero

    Mystic Zero New User

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    I'm sorry but how did you check his ip? I want to know :)
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  9. Clive

    Clive SteamRep Admin

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    Thank you for your report, a SteamREP admin will look at this soon.