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Discussion in 'Archived Reports' started by HizzNizz, Jul 6, 2019.

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  1. HizzNizz

    HizzNizz New User

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    Scam Report

    Report Type: [Trade Offer Fraud] Using Trade Offer URL fraud
    Virtual item type involved: [CSGO] Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Items

    Accused profile: 76561198314305362

    Victim profile: 76561198026639361

    What happened? Description:
    So Relax added me, and offered to buy my Bayonet Field Tested Case Hardened on bitskins. I'd never used it but looking into it, it seemed legitimate. Seeing as mine had a rare pattern (moses), his offer of $250 seemed fair. So I went to sell it on bitskins, and he said he would buy it. I received a traded offer from the legit bitskins bot, but for some reason it canceled (maybe from being too slow?).

    Shortly after I received another offer from a bot with the same name, and extremely similar steamID which I didn't notice. I can only assume this is Relax's fake impersonation of bitskins bot, since after telling him this, and straight up saying I know you scammed me, I was promptly blocked.

    Then going through my inventory history, you can see I traded it to what looks like a bitskins bot. But this was his fake one, as the next photo shows.

    Seeing as he blocked me immediately after I stopped playing along with him, I think it is safe to say this person is a scammer and should be labeled as such.

    If I need to add anymore information, such as the bots steamIDs and whatnot let me know, and I can do that.​

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  2. Lemmi

    Lemmi New User

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    I didnt ask you to enter any link and didnt scam you. The only thing I asked you to do is to list the knife on bitskins and nothing more, so where's the scam ? very poor evidence.
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    Lemmi New User

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    and the screenshots are cut..
  4. HizzNizz

    HizzNizz New User

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    [Thursday 1:47 PM]
    RELA★:
    Hi

    [Thursday 1:47 PM]
    Dreck:
    he4llo
    hello*

    [Thursday 1:48 PM]
    RELA★:
    Do you sell your bayonet case hardened ? I Might offer good price for it via bitskins/skinbaron/gameflip

    [Thursday 1:48 PM]
    Dreck:
    uhh
    its really nfs
    I like CH's and its pretty much my knife for now

    [Thursday 1:49 PM]
    RELA★:
    But for how much would you sell it right now ? I can also buy some of these five sevens

    [Thursday 1:49 PM]
    Dreck:
    ofc itd depend on price

    [Thursday 1:49 PM]
    RELA★:
    I resell skins and can make a good overpay

    [Thursday 1:49 PM]
    Dreck:
    depends on what the payment is

    [Thursday 1:49 PM]
    RELA★:
    Bitskins

    [Thursday 1:49 PM]
    Dreck:
    if its keys im more interested

    [Thursday 1:49 PM]
    RELA★:
    Or any other similar marketplace
    You can buy keys on bitskins after selling me the knife

    [Thursday 1:50 PM]
    Dreck:
    hmm
    ngl ive been out of trading for a lil bit
    so im not too up to date with the new sites/methodsa
    methods*

    [Thursday 1:50 PM]
    RELA★:
    You can check the price of it on cs money

    [Thursday 1:51 PM]
    Dreck:
    yeah like idk what csmoeny even is lol

    [Thursday 1:51 PM]
    RELA★:
    It adds value depending on rarity or blue pattern

    [Thursday 1:51 PM]
    Dreck:
    ah
    ok
    many of my 57s
    are good patterns

    [Thursday 1:51 PM]
    RELA★:
    You can check the price of them there too

    [Thursday 1:51 PM]
    Dreck:
    well, I sold most my god tiers
    but theyre mid patterns
    ill check it on csmoney real quick

    [Thursday 1:56 PM]
    RELA★:
    If the skin has an additional cost for pattern or sticker, this is shown like this
    https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....520/6EC5AA6D7BE7288E0E6445C3FE9E794169F9D445/

    [Thursday 1:56 PM]
    Dreck:
    yeah im having trouble getting signed up for some reaosn
    reason&

    [Thursday 1:57 PM]
    RELA★:
    Try one more time, steam might be lagging

    [Thursday 1:57 PM]
    Dreck:
    tru

    [Thursday 2:05 PM]
    RELA★:
    So whats the price of the knife ?
    and 57s

    [Thursday 2:06 PM]
    Dreck:
    im not sure really, it depends on the 5/7s obv, but knife cna go for a lot, its a reverse moses pattern

    [Thursday 2:07 PM]
    RELA★:
    Okay, so whats your price ?
    For the knife
    If we deal via bitskins

    [Thursday 2:08 PM]
    Dreck:
    hmm idk bitskins much, I usually just did keys

    [Thursday 2:09 PM]
    RELA★:
    Okay so if we say around 250$
    Will it be enough ?

    [Thursday 2:09 PM]
    Dreck:
    for knife? Yeah I think thatd be fair

    [Thursday 2:09 PM]
    RELA★:
    Okay
    Do you know how to list it on bitskins ?

    [Thursday 2:10 PM]
    Dreck:
    uhh not exactly
    never used it

    [Thursday 2:10 PM]
    RELA★:
    Just google, it's pretty easy
    HOW TO SELL CS:GO SKINS IN 2018


    [Thursday 2:11 PM]
    Dreck:
    yeah im googling rn
    getting it setup rn

    [Thursday 2:14 PM]
    RELA★:
    Okay
    And if you want you can list your rarest 57
    with the knife
    I can buy it too
    Which is on your screenshot showcase for example

    [Thursday 2:14 PM]
    Dreck:
    I sold my best 5/7 awhile ago, but I still have some p good ones
    that was a #2 mw ch 5/7
    that was the #2 mw 5/7
    in the SS

    [Thursday 2:16 PM]
    RELA★:
    Dont you have ones similar to it ?

    [Thursday 2:16 PM]
    Dreck:
    I have mid tier to highish tier rn
    but not as good as that one in SS
    that I traded for this knife lol

    [Thursday 2:16 PM]
    RELA★:
    Okay, it's not a problem
    For how much would you list it ?

    [Thursday 2:17 PM]
    Dreck:
    im not sure yet
    I'd have to look up prices etc, since I havent traded much in a bit

    [Thursday 2:17 PM]
    RELA★:
    Okay

    [Thursday 2:22 PM]
    RELA★:
    You can list the knife now btw and check for the price of 5/7 while im buying or later
    if you want

    [Thursday 2:33 PM]
    Dreck:
    i g2g for a bit, family stuff for 4th of july
    so ill ttyl, but still interested

    [Thursday 2:33 PM]
    RELA★:
    Okay
    Will you be back today ?

    [Thursday 2:33 PM]
    Dreck:
    yeah
    idk how long, but like
    4-5 hours max

    [Thursday 2:34 PM]
    RELA★:
    Okay
    If i will not be here just list the knife for 250 and send me the link, will buy it
    See you

    [Thursday 2:34 PM]
    Dreck:
    cya
    have a good one

    Friday, July 5, 2019

    [Yesterday, 8:22 AM]
    RELA★:
    hi

    [Yesterday, 11:20 PM]
    Dreck:
    hey
    sorry was busy with family events
    visit first week of july

    Saturday, July 6, 2019

    [12:23 AM]
    RELA★:
    it's ok
    so can you list the knife and 57s ?

    [12:25 AM]
    Dreck:
    uhhh I really havent PCd the 5/7s yet, I was collecting for awhile but got burnt on cs
    but for the knife I'd do 250, was about to list it

    [12:25 AM]
    RELA★:
    alright
    list the knife now then

    [12:29 AM]
    Dreck:
    doing atm
    its not showing up on bitskins

    [12:33 AM]
    RELA★:
    there's 7 days hold
    after u trade an item

    [12:33 AM]
    Dreck:
    ah right

    [12:33 AM]
    RELA★:
    so what about 57s ?

    [12:33 AM]
    Dreck:
    well, I have 7 days
    ill figure out prices in then

    [12:34 AM]
    RELA★:
    alright

    [12:36 AM]
    Dreck:
    im not seeing the 7 day hold
    on any of my trades

    [12:36 AM]
    RELA★:
    what do u mean ?

    [12:36 AM]
    Dreck:
    https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....780/ADEFD1D5B5F47F030732B9DA1D2DB9E707C966C5/

    instantly traded

    [12:37 AM]
    RELA★:
    i mean when you trade any cs item
    it has 7 days hold
    it cant be traded
    for 7 days
    you can check it on bot
    it will be untradable

    [12:37 AM]
    Dreck:
    yeah ik, but I've dealt with it b4
    but I also recall not being able to trade for 7 days unless they were ur friend
    like it was in escrow

    [12:38 AM]
    RELA★:
    it was updated
    now if you trade any cs item it is untradable for 7 days

    [12:40 AM]
    Dreck:
    nah, I got scammed
    well played

    [12:40 AM]
    RELA★:
    how could you get scammed

    [12:41 AM]
    Dreck:
    cuz I checked both bots, and the legit one has a diff steam Id, diff year they joined, and has opskins in their groups
    whereas the one I traded with doesnt
    and the steam url is very similar to the legit bot
    https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....892/557257ADC794BD62FEAF89F167DCEE7FF7A6ADC5/

    this is who I traded with
    https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....224/207410E9B60387A527A30370061391211E4EB382/

    this is who I was supposed to
    but for some reason it canceled

    [12:42 AM]
    RELA★:
    but how could that happen?

    [12:42 AM]
    Dreck:
    im trying to figure that out
    I shouldve known, when you offered to overpay and want my 5/7s
    enjoy the knife, I guess. It looks pretty good
    .

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  5. HizzNizz

    HizzNizz New User

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    I used ShareX to capture all the screenshots in there, as is suggested by the forum.
    No you did not send me a link, I went to add them to Bitskins and was sent an offer by a bot, which I assume was the real one. This however wouldn't accept. Promptly after I got one from another that seemed nearly identical. After going through with that trade, and seeing nothing in my Bitskins account, I realized I had been scammed, and checked the two accounts that tried to trade me, and the first (legit bot, which was https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198277325521) was in the Bitskins bot Steam group, https://steamcommunity.com/groups/bitskinsbots

    The bot I traded with ( https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198970467512 ) however did not have this in their groups. Upon confronting you about this Relax blocked me, which prompted me to make this report.
  6. Horse

    Horse Administrator SteamRep Admin

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    @HizzNizz You never sent the accused any link for a trade offer so how did they some how make a random account send you a trade offer?
    As for someone removing you from friends and block you - that isn't a reason to report someone.
    Your beef appears more with the account that traded you not so much as the accused from what I can see right now unless you can prove otherwise.
    Just an account sending you a random trade offer also isn't enough to submit a report here either.. Valve gives you multiple chances to confirm a trade.
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    Horse Administrator SteamRep Admin

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    @HizzNizz You were clearly just online and saw what I wrote.
    You have 12hours to follow up since you are active.
  8. HizzNizz

    HizzNizz New User

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    @ЩĄ | Horse It seems as if you didn't read our conversation. I wanted to do a trade through just us and steam for keys, but he insisted that we do it through a skin selling site. So of course I would not send him a trade link, or vice versa. As for how they would make a "random account" send me a trade offer, it would be because we had agreed upon a site that uses bots to send trade offers, and then once on that site people can pay for them with real money.

    It may well be that it's not Lemmi who is the culprit, that didn't come to mind at the time. However I was sure for a fact that I was on the correct website, and when I was sent a trade offer by a the Bitskins bot I was also sent one by an imposter account that was the aforementioned https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198970467512. As I said before, for some reason the first trade with the correct bot had an error, and so I assumed it resent it, but this was the imposter bot. The only reason I suspected the accused (and I think it's reasonable given the circumstances at that moment to suspect them) is because this happened as we were trading, and the fact he was willing to pay such a high amount immediately off the bat, for a medium tier pattern. And he encouraged me to sell my 5/7s as well. And he blocked me afterwards. These are all hallmarks of a scammer, and I should have trusted my instinct.

    Perhaps there are some bots out there that are able to see when a Bitskin's bot sends an offer and then also sends one fraudulently. However I think bringing a case against said bot is pointless seeing as they wouldn't care about their reputation.

    However I find it very unlikely that is the case there are bots set up like this, and him removing and blocking me is incredibly suspicious, considering it just landed in the other account, and that if he was innocent I see no reason to block me.
    Valve gives you multiple chances to confirm a trade yes. So does that mean everyone who is scammed should just be told that? Yes it is my fault ultimately I was scammed. That doesn't mean a party shouldn't be held responsible.

    But in this case it seems there just isn't enough evidence I could possibly have to prove that the accused is guilty of scamming me, because it could be coincidence that some other nefarious actor happened to act at the same time.

    (For the record I was playing another game with this chrome tab open, and as I was writing this reply you send that message about the time limit. I had no intention of ghosting on this if that's what you thought.)
  9. Horse

    Horse Administrator SteamRep Admin

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    You need to prove to me and show proof that this user did what you stated they did and was the controlling factor behind a random "fake bot" account to send you a trade offer.
    From what I can tell you never gave the user any link for them to do so.
    I'm not asking you to revise and rewrite the statement you gave in the opening of the report, I'm asking for you to show me proof of what the event.

    So if you can provide that please do so , if you can't then just say you can't so I can review as is.
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    HizzNizz New User

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    I cannot provide proof of that, as nobody but Valve would be able to prove or disprove that. My closing sentence (not the parentheses) was my admitting that there is not enough evidence to prove that they were the one who is responsible for me losing my items.

    I apologize to both you and Relax/Lemmi. I acted out of anger of losing my items at first instead of thinking about it more thoroughly. You can review as is.
  11. Horse

    Horse Administrator SteamRep Admin

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    Thank you for the follow up.
    Since we clearly can't see proof of the accused being involved I'm rejecting the report.
    Please be more careful when submitting reports in the future and accusing someone of an act without proper/valid evidence.
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