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Accepted 76561198019475335 Master_Dark (SOP Scammer)

Discussion in 'Archived Appeals' started by MS | Master_Dark, Apr 17, 2012.

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  1. MS | Master_Dark

    MS | Master_Dark New User

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    steamID: MS | Master_Dark
    steamID32: STEAM_0:1:29604803
    steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198019475335
    customURL: http://steamcommunity.com/id/Master_Dark
    steamrepURL: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198019475335

    Hello.
    I am marked as "SOP Scammer" for doing "Fake Rep" with alt account.
    For the account of EPTIC or Skyla, it's the account of my brother IRL. I traded with him a lot of time, he bought Team Fortress 2 for me because he only wanted to play with me.
    For this "alt" http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198049895137, i am not friend with it! I never see it before!
    http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198019475335 ------> This account is my only account.

    We are probably ban because we use with Skyla the same ip adress. Of course we have the same, he live with me and my parents! It's my brother!
    http://sourceop.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=1212261
    For "Rinou" player, it's a friend IRL of my brother, i don't know him personnaly.
    I did a lot of trade in TF2, sometimes with big Backpack and lot of rep (Pink Taco (for an Ebenezer) / Mittens (for a Max Head TS).....), i NEVER do scam, and NEVER do scam tentative.
    I hope this scammer tag will be deleted.
  2. MS | Master_Dark

    MS | Master_Dark New User

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    MS | Master_Dark New User

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    Can i have a response :(
    Or just tell me what kind of proof i have to give :/
  4. Jmcmλtrix

    Jmcmλtrix New User

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    You had fakerep, and please be patient, an admin will read this and help eventually, they have a huge backlog or reports!
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    I apologise for the wait, look for my invite in the next few days.
  6. MS | Master_Dark

    MS | Master_Dark New User

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    Thanks for the 2 answers, and atom, i will wait your invite =)
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    MS | Master_Dark New User

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    Atom, you wanted the trade history, i have it now:
    "Vous avez fait un échange avec Skyla < Ahri" = "You made a trade with Skyla"
    History Trade 2.PNG History trade 1.PNG History Trade 3.PNG
  8. atom-

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    I have made a decision. This is a significant one and I hope it does set a precedent in terms of analogical reasoning. This should clear the uninformed idea that the SR process is built on conjecture and assumption but aims to target 'real' scammers per se and not capturing traders who do not display scammer's intent.

    Offense- Fake Rep
    Fake rep is a detriment and stain on the TF2 community. It degrades the value of real rep accrued when trust is built between two 'internet strangers' through legitimate transactions. Apart from character references which involve cash transactions there should not be a previous association between the two parties for rep to be truly legitimate. When a transaction is successful, feedback and a +rep is done on the person's rep thread. On SOP, the basis of this is trusted cash based transactions in line with the SOP trading policy.

    Scammers use fake rep to accrue trust in their transactions to hoodwink members in order to facilitate a scam attempt. SOP has had some prolific fake reppers in order to induce this tactic. This tactic reveals the intent of scamming the trader. This 'scam attempt foundation' is easily identified via IP where the rep is from the same source. Many scammers will use the "my brother excuse" as to explain the rep and 99.9% of the time this is a falsity. SOP admins are meticulous in shutting down this foundation as soon as possible where an SOP rep thread is the most commonly used 'trusted' rep thread in the TF2 community in terms of cash based trades.

    The SOP rep thread rules have been thoroughly updated in the last few months with explicit reference to Fake Rep "It is on you to make sure you don't put yourself in such a position.".

    The Case
    This case appears to be the 0.01% of the "my brother excuse". It is firmly established that both Skyla and Master Dark are brothers given the swiftness of adhering to my demands and tests to determine their brotherhood. Though not 100% foolproof but more than enough than most likely, I genuinely believe that they are brothers and they have provided evidence in a timely manner to establish this fact. The timeliness has worked in their favour. They have a strong transaction history.

    However though they do possess what I have mentioned above, I have reiterated to both of them that they already possess a 'trusted' relationship, they are brothers. There is no true +rep given in this circumstance as by birthright they should trust each other. They live in the same household. There is already a spirit of trust due to their family association. The question is, does this degrade true +rep? Yes I believe it does. Is there scammer's intent. I believe there is not, just an ignorance of the operation of an SOP rep thread. So how does one weigh these two inherent issues? Does the degradation of rep in this case lead to a possible scammer's intent? Would Skyla continually be +repped by his brother to pump up his rep thread? I believe it would not as through my dealings there was genuine mistake in the the rep thread's operation and its sanctity. Most likely, the lack of education when entering this community has created this problem.

    Verdict of Appeal
    I firmly believe that it is was an unawareness of the nature of SOP rep threads when Master Dark contributed to Skyla's rep thread. They are brothers, where the rinou rep (a friend) is a non-issue in this case. Though SOP will not lift both individual's ban due to this circumstance I am satisfied to downgrade both tags to SR CAUTION for now (removing the SOP association and recognizing the SR decision). I believe if we present "the brother conundrum" as already two separate entities (refer EChondo case) then through analogy we can consolidate those principles to this case (pending circumstance and investigation).

    I will emphasise that this circumstance has been approached by the intensity of the 'fakerep' and the proactiveness of both individuals involved. Admin approach and discretion as well as individual case will be highly dependent on the circumstance, I will make this clear to ensure there is no issue of 'flood gates'.
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