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Rejected Appeal: 76561198122005972 - (Eriksson / BANNED BY SR)

Discussion in 'Archived Appeals' started by Eriksson, Jan 22, 2016.

  1. Eriksson

    Eriksson Banned on SteamRep

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    Appeal for BANNED BY SR

    Steam profile: 76561198122005972 (Eriksson)

    Appeal Plea: I commited the offense(s), but it was minor or I disagree with SteamRep policy
    Appeal Reason: [Process] Severity - Severity of ban is higher than SteamRep policy recommends
    Victim Repayment: No, but I will repay. I need help finding the victim(s)
    Previous Appeals: Yes, I appealed here earlier for another situation in the past.

    Alternate Accounts:
    I have over 30+ alternate accouts just to browse outpost when I am banned. They have nothing to do with any of the things like trading or idling.​

    Appeal description:
    Dear Admins/visitors of this appeal.

    I am here to appeal my SCAMMER tag I received from steamrep. My appeal is well argumented and has all the information needed (If I still missed something somehow, just respond below)

    Quick note:
    - I will only post information/arguments that concern my appeal, I will stay on-topic as much as possible.
    - My arguments will be completely based on provable facts.
    - I will not post my opinion in this appeal, and only stick with provable facts. If I show my opinion, it will be obvious.
    - What some people think about me should not be connected in any way to this appeal. There should only be looked at facts that happened and led to the original report being accepted.
    - I am not responsible in any way for the actions Lategum does/has done, except in this case. Lots of admins are friends with known scammers or even hijackers, and it should not influence this appeal.
    - I will not express my opinion about anyone, including all steamrep admins. I will show my opinion however on decisions that were made.
    - This appeal is only meant for me, and not for Lategum.
    - Besides this (and trading with scammers, my appeal got accepted for that) I have never done anything against the rules, and definetly not against the SteamRep rules.

    The report I got banned for: http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198122005972-tf2-team-fortress-2-items.83439/
    The report that got accepted (trading with scammers): http://forums.f-o-g.eu/threads/10058-steamrep-tag-removal-downgrade-ban-appeal-eriksson.html

    There are two reasons why I believe the scammer tag is unjust:
    - The accepted report was influenced by a personal opinion of an admin about me.
    - The reason I got banned is hugely exaggerated, and the concequenses of my actions have been taken out of proportion.

    The accepted report was influenced by a personal opinion of an admin about me.

    The date my report was created, is 17 Nov 2014.
    The date my report was accepted, is 20 Jan 2016 at 4:30 AM.
    This is more than a year time it took the admins to judge.

    The date my trading with scammers appeal was created, is 4 Jan 2016.
    The date my trading with scammers appeal got granted, is 20 Jan 2016 at 11:39 AM.
    This means the report literally got accepted on the day my scammer tag (for trading with scammers) would be removed.

    This means that my report only got accepted, because I would be tag-free otherwise.
    This means:
    - The judgement is based on an admin's opinion that I should have a scammer tag.
    - The judgement is not based on the actual facts provided in the report, otherwise a judgement would be made a long time ago, the same dates shown above are just more than obvious.

    The reason I got banned is hugely exaggerated, and the concequenses of my actions have been taken out of proportion.

    The reason why I got reported is:
    Faking an offer, and selling items with the fake offer, making the buyer believe he would be able to sell it for more.

    What the reporter said in his report (not literally, just summed up, you can see what he exactly wrote using the link above):
    - He got scammed (reason for the scammer tag)
    - He lost a lot of value

    'He got scammed'

    Steamrep gives scammer tags for the following things:
    Charge-back or Reversal
    Quick-switching items
    Receiving the item and not paying
    Providing or soliciting fake reputation claims ("fake rep")
    Using fake middleman
    Impersonating with intent to scam or abuse reputation
    Spycrabbing and then not paying
    Accomplice or fence (knowingly supporting and systematically trading) for a banned user
    Brokering (selling on behalf of) banned users and scammed items
    Hijacking or hacking other traders (also includes phishing)
    Alternate account of a banned user
    Falsifying evidence to SteamRep
    Using game or Steam exploits to profit on trades
    Anything that is deemed as deceptive or fraudulent trade activity by SteamRep admins

    All of the above things have one thing in common: they are literally scams, and they leave the victim with nothing.

    What I did, was telling the buyer that I got higher offers, and I had someone backing it up. The buyer and I came to an agreement, and we both accepted the items we were trading. I was very clear with the buyer, and I said I was not responsible for his actions. All of this is shown in the steam chat provided in the original report.

    'He lost a lot of value'

    Now here is - what I believe - the biggest misassumption of the whole report.
    The reporter made it look like he lost a lot of items, what made the report get a lot of attention.
    The fact is, however, that the deal we agreed on, was a more than reasonable deal, and I have evidence to proof that.

    I have always been completely open about this trade, and thus I created a price suggestion about a vintage shortstop. Obviously, the price suggestion was not serious, and the bp.tf prices were hugely outdated. I just created the price suggestion to get a reaction from the community:
    http://backpack.tf/vote/id/546903bab98d8872468b4671

    I want to use this price suggestion as an argument why the deal was reasonably fair.
    In this case you should see the buyer as the maker of this suggestion.
    - The buyers implies on his report that he has lost a lot of value
    - This price suggestion shows exactly the values the buyer claims he got 'scammed' for.
    This means the buyer would value the items this way:
    - Sunbeams Brotherhood of Arms 107,5 buds
    - Vivid Plasme Noh Mercy 29 buds
    - Vintage Shortstop 27,5 buds (27,5 buds)
    These were the bp.tf prices at the time, and this would be the price difference he would claim he would've lost. The buyer never mentioned how much they were actually worth, because he wouldn't be able to make a report.

    Now when we show the community the prices (prices he claims he lost), we get a lot of reactions, and they all pretty much say the same.
    I will pick 2 reactions of very reputable traders/admins. When the bp.tf prices are told:

    The beams boa is definitely too high, past owners had trouble getting even 60-70 pure http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21878424
    - A Delicious Cashew™ · posted about a year ago

    As indicated. beams BOA is no where near 107.5 any more. That will need a suggestion first.
    - polar · posted about a year ago

    These - and more - reactions indicate that the BOA was valued a lot lower at the time, and that the prices were pretty close.
    If we take the BOA as 60-70, and keep the Shortstop and Noh the same (even if the noh was mentioned to be higher), we can see a more realistic view of the deal.

    BOA: 65

    Vidid Noh Mercy: 29
    Vintage Shortstop: 27,5
    Summed up 56,5

    We can see that there is only a price difference of 13%, taken the prices the community valued them at the time.
    If I compare this to other values, you can see why I think also this part of my ban is unjust.

    Profit:
    100% Scamming - SCAMMER tag
    90% Sharking - Nothing
    80%
    70%
    60%
    50%
    40%
    30%
    20%
    10% What I did - SCAMMER tag
    0%

    Most people will realize by now, that all trades are in the 0%-30% prices range, and that my trade should be no exclusion.

    (Important: I offered the buyer a repayment, since I still made profit from it, but not scammed him. We couldn't agree on a price, because we used different methods of pricing the items. I used the backpack.tf community's opinion, and he used the price I sold the BOA for.)

    I believe that I have covered my case fairly well, I thank anyone that read this for their time, and I hope a fair judgement can be made.​
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  3. Eriksson

    Eriksson Banned on SteamRep

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    Some additional information:

    Repayment:
    Vox wanted me to pay back a bit over 2000 keys pure, so the admins know the reason I haven't paid him back. (I offered him a reasonable amount, but he stays on this price)

    Alts:
    I've tried getting my alternate account details, but I only managed to find one, since the others alts have been used only one time to browse outpost untill they got banned (outpost probably has a list of my alts).
    Here it is:
    | steamname: zemmer
    | steam3ID: [U:1:185814090]
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:0:92907045
    | steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198146079818
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198146079818

    I hope this will be seen by admins, and thanks for your time.
  4. Eriksson

    Eriksson Banned on SteamRep

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    Have the admins made any judgements yet?

    Maybe I can move the appeal to a more active forum with your permission, or it would be nice to see this community beeing active a bit more. (maybe there are too many appeals, time to hire some more admins?)

    Anyway, If admins read this, I hope this will get judged soon.

    Thanks
  5. You Are The One

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  6. Eriksson

    Eriksson Banned on SteamRep

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    Can any admin get into this, I've been wrongfully banned for over half a year now! Some people still think I am a scammer when they check my SteamRep :(
    (I know this is a bump but can admins actually read the appeals please instead of spending their day pointing out that you shouldn't bump your appeal.)
  7. Horse

    Horse Administrator SteamRep Admin

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    Since you appear to not be very patient - I'll now lock the appeal till the appeals admin reviews it.
  8. Teeny Tiny Cat

    Teeny Tiny Cat SteamRep Admin Partner Community

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    Hi there, sorry for the delay in responding to your appeal. Since I wasn't around back then, how about we set previous arguments aside for now and just start from scratch. Explain the situation described in the report against you in your own words from the beginning.

    Please also have a read of this and make a separate post declaring your alts and all accts that could be linked to yours: https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/appeal-tips.66354/

    2 weeks notice to follow up.

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  9. Eriksson

    Eriksson Banned on SteamRep

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    Hi, thank you for the reply.

    I bought a Sunbeams Brotherhood of Arms from Vox, I paid a Vivid Plasma Noh Mercy and a Vintage Shortstop. Vox was a bit sceptical about the Vintage Shortstop so I lied about a pending offer for the Shortstop. Bases on that offer he decided to accept my Shortstop and Noh for his BoA.

    The price of the BoA back then was 65 buds, the Noh and the Shortstop 29 and 27,5 so together 56,5 buds. Todays value for the Noh and the Shortstop is 370 and 391 so together 761 keys, the BoA is valued at 442,5 keys. I just want to clarify it was not nearly as bad as he makes it out to be.

    He could not get the offer for the Shortstop he expected, which was my fault as the offer was not real.

    It is up to the admins to decide. I have not traded in a few years and I don't have any items left, but I would still like to get a fair judgement as I personally think the Scammer Tag was not justified for this.

    I also want to point out that on the report the admins didn't respond for over a year, and decided to ban me a few hours before I would get unbanned for trading with scammers. The report was obviously accepted because I would have no Scammer Tag otherwise, which I think is not right.

    Thank you for your time and I hope you will take my arguments into consideration.
  10. Teeny Tiny Cat

    Teeny Tiny Cat SteamRep Admin Partner Community

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    You don't consider faking offers to get a deal to be a scam in any way? If he only accepted the trade because of your lie, does that not indicate something to you?

    You also didn't add the post about alts as requested.
  11. Eriksson

    Eriksson Banned on SteamRep

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    Hi, I do not consider this to be a scam.

    Scamming is stealing, I told a lie to make my item look more valuable. Scamming is not coming through with an agreement, like receiving an item and not paying the cash for it, or running away from a lost spycrab.

    If you look at sharking, the buyer tells a bunch of lies to get an item for cheap. Sharking is not considered a scam here because there is no breaking of an agreement, like in my case.

    My alts:
    https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198297540653
    https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198146079818
    https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198318009349
    https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198166690260
    https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198276723109
    https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198166336688
    https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198164601313
    https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198166831839
    https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198164895855
    https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198166898996
  12. Teeny Tiny Cat

    Teeny Tiny Cat SteamRep Admin Partner Community

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    Tell me a bit more about the offer you lied about.

    Steamrep blocks, please, and make sure you read the definition I linked previously and understand what I am asking for when I say alts.
  13. Eriksson

    Eriksson Banned on SteamRep

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    My alts:

    1.
    | steamname: Sarah ❤ Domin #Exams
    | steam3ID: [U:1:337274925]
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:1:168637462
    | steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198297540653
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198297540653

    Used for: item storage

    2.
    | steamname: Friendly ❤
    | steam3ID: [U:1:185814090]
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:0:92907045
    | steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198146079818
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198146079818

    Used for: item storage

    3.
    | steamname: zemmer
    | steam3ID: [U:1:357743621]
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:1:178871810
    | steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198318009349
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198318009349

    Used for: tf2outpost browsing

    4.
    | steamname: babientje
    | steam3ID: [U:1:206424532]
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:0:103212266
    | steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198166690260
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198166690260

    Used for: tf2outpost browsing

    5.
    | steamname: Unknown
    | steam3ID: [U:1:316457381]
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:1:158228690
    | steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198276723109
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198276723109

    Used for: tf2outpost browsing

    6.
    | steamname: pikkelikker
    | steam3ID: [U:1:206070960]
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:0:103035480
    | steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198166336688
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198166336688

    Used for: tf2outpost browsing

    7.
    | steamname: aah i could really use a bed now
    | steam3ID: [U:1:204335585]
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:1:102167792
    | steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198164601313
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198164601313

    Used for: tf2outpost browsing

    8.
    | steamname: poep
    | steam3ID: [U:1:206566111]
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:1:103283055
    | steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198166831839
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198166831839

    Used for: tf2outpost browsing

    9.
    | steamname: poepjes
    | steam3ID: [U:1:204630127]
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:1:102315063
    | steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198164895855
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198164895855

    Used for: tf2outpost browsing

    10.
    | steamname: zemmer
    | steam3ID: [U:1:206633268]
    | steamID32: STEAM_0:0:103316634
    | steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198166898996
    | customURL:
    | steamrep: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198166898996

    Used for: tf2outpost browsing
  14. Eriksson

    Eriksson Banned on SteamRep

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    About the offer: I was told I had an offer of a Scorching Noh Mercy on my Shortstop. He asked me to accept that offer, and to trade the Scorching Noh Mercy and the Vivid Plasma Noh Mercy for his BoA, and I declined that. So he decided to trade his BoA for my Vivid Plasma Noh Mercy and my Vintage Shortstop instead.
  15. Teeny Tiny Cat

    Teeny Tiny Cat SteamRep Admin Partner Community

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    So it's not quite as simple as you faked an offer, is it? He traded because he thought he could get that offer?
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    Eriksson Banned on SteamRep

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    Correct, he took the Shortstop hoping he could trade it for a Scorching Noh Mercy. He was not able to get the Scorching Noh Mercy for the Shortstop.
  17. Teeny Tiny Cat

    Teeny Tiny Cat SteamRep Admin Partner Community

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    What do you think led him to believe that, then? If it was just a throwaway mention about a past offer, it seems unlikely he would have chosen to trade based on it.
  18. Eriksson

    Eriksson Banned on SteamRep

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    He was talking with the person that offered the Scorching Noh Mercy on my Vintage Shortstop (the not real offer), so he could take that offer once he had the Vintage Shortstop.
  19. Teeny Tiny Cat

    Teeny Tiny Cat SteamRep Admin Partner Community

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    So, that person was aware you were making the fake offer?
  20. Eriksson

    Eriksson Banned on SteamRep

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    Yes, he made the offer and later on he retracted the offer.