Archived Appeal Review: 76561198053960919

campingnoobasaurous · Nov 27, 2015

Appeal for BANNED BY SR

Steam profile: 76561198053960919 (The p✿✿✿✿ Destroyer)

| steamname: The p✿✿✿✿ Destroyer
| steam3ID: [U:1:93695191]
| steamID32: STEAM_0:1:46847595
| steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198053960919
| customURL:
| steamrep: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198053960919
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Appeal Plea: I committed the offense(s), I admit it
Appeal Reason: [Change of Heart] I will never scam again.

Victim Repayment: Yes, I repaid the victims of my offense(s)
Previous Appeals: Yes, I appealed here before and it was denied.

Alternate Accounts:

Appeal description:

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/appeal-76561198053960919-the-p✿✿✿✿-destroyer-banned-by-sr.115528/
This above is the link to a forum where I appealed saying I would never scam again, payed back the victim, and was rejected. I'm appealing again due to the fact I felt that this was unjustifiable. In one of my screenshots after looking at the first appeal shows where it is said that I did pay the victim back. (I don't know why it says "tho" but I want judge because I am treating the admin as an adult, not a child) It states that I did repay, but that still doesn't help the fact when I play TF2, as I said in the previous appeal, I am made fun of and can barely play on a server until being kicked out. I hope this time I can talk to a different admin and work out on an uplift on my ban. As I say again, I will never scam again.

Lava · Nov 27, 2015

campingnoobasaurous said: ↑

I'm appealing again due to the fact I felt that this was unjustifiable.
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You cannot simply re-appeal because you don't like the answer you got the first time. Based on this wording, I'm assuming you meant to request an appeal review. Is this the case?

Per our FAQ, you are allowed to have your appeal reviewed by another admin to decide if you deserve a second appeal. To do this, you must choose one of these reasons:

New evidence not produced in your original appeal.

Unfair appeal. Note: A different appeal admin will review your original appeal and decide if their is enough to grant you a new appeal.

Other extenuating circumstance at admins discretion.

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Under which of these grounds do you intend to have your appeal reviewed? And please explain your reasoning for whichever reason you choose.

Example of new evidence: Reporter was banned for submitting fake reports/screenshots to maliciously harm people's reputation, supporting your claim to innocence.
Example of unfair appeal: Appeals admin had a conflict of interest, or mishandled your case (e.g. rejected by same admin who accepted report).

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campingnoobasaurous · Nov 27, 2015

Thanks for the clarification, you specified a lot clearer than the last admin. 2. Unfair Appeal. Note A different appeal admin will review your original appeal and decide if their is enough to grant you a new appeal.
The reason I felt my appeal was unjustified was for multiple reasons.

This was a two way scam a long time ago (Which I cannot speak of what happened between the other person because of lack of evidence; Plus this other person had a long track record of scamming as well, and connected to multiple other accounts) and I felt bad for a long time and had no idea how to appeal so I gave up for a while until finally figuring out the appeal system and wanting to pay for my crimes after two years of "Serving my time" you could say. I paid the victim back and post the rest of my appeal and am rejected feeling like I qualify for an uplift on my ban.

I felt like the admin I was dealing with was not very understanding. I felt like he was not taking my appeal very seriously (Especially with the "Tho still repaid" where I felt a child was handling an appeal, not trying to say anything about the person him/herself, just saying I felt this was odd to say the least), and I also, on a personal level, felt an emanation of hate, despise, and discrimination against myself because they think I am some kind of scammer and I haven't proven myself even if I did what they told me.

In game discrimination will still be pointed at me, and I will still be kicked from servers for my ban even if I did pay back the person. Just like the real world everyone points and makes fun off the out of place kid, we all know this but i'm trying to just do a pass time to relax. Please, there is no other way to explain how I feel about this instead of that I hate it because I cant enjoy a game I like to play.

I'm done with scamming. I did it once, and i'll never do it again. Not trying to be a person begging on his knees for forgiveness, but this is the honest heart to heart, i've been done for a long time.

Also I forgot to mention something about my last appeal. The person said, "I am glad you paid back the user you scammed, even tho it was a week after the stated deadline you still decided to anyways. I also hope you continue to keep up the good behavior". This makes me feel awful inside when I read this. Still using "tho", he/she acts like this is just nothing and I can feel that there is this hate from this person, and I am getting laughed at by this person. Even through all this good he/she is saying, they heard me cry out when I said that I was being harassed on servers. So I really feel picked on when he/she says to keep up good behavior, due to the fact I cant even be on a server for a few minutes or be on a server without the harassment.

So please look this over, and I hope you can see the decently in me and uplift this ban. Please read this through, thank you for your time.

Lava · Nov 28, 2015

This is not a second appeal, it's an audit or review to determine if the appeals admin mishandled your case. In which case, you'd be allowed to make a new appeal. Pleading how you disagree with his decision or how you've changed won't work here, that's what you do in the appeal. Here, you explain how the admin mishandled it, whether biased or not acknowledging evidence or whatever.

Re-read the appeal tips - http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/appeal-tips.66354/ - especially the following point, in entirety:
#9: Pay back the victim
Then tell me how your appeal was unfairly handled. Unless the appeal was mishandled somehow, and you can demonstrate that, you don't get a second appeal.
1. Irrelevant. Tags don't expire over time, and scamming a scammer is still scamming. Just because the other person scammed doesn't give you a right to steal from them, and with you pointing that out and shifting blame to the victim I'm inclined to believe you're not really sorry. You only repaid to try and get the tag removed, and that hypothesis is further supported by the fact you didn't even repay until after you were given a deadline in the appeal.
2. Appeals admins don't have to be "understanding" or sympathetic to scammers to properly grant/deny appeals. I happen to definitively know that particular admin is an adult, and that spelling of "tho" is very typical of him. Misspelling a word is not grounds for an appeal review.
3. Hurt feelings are not grounds for an appeal review. Just like other things in life, what you did here has consequences, and you may not like those consequences but it doesn't excuse you from it.
4. That's what you argue in an appeal, not an appeal review.

So all the above points boil down to you disagreeing with his decision. After reading the above link, do you have anything else?

campingnoobasaurous · Nov 28, 2015

To start off, you do have your own opinion, so it is completely your choice to decide whether or not I am being forthright honest or if I am completely lying; which is entirely true, but I will tell you time and time again I am being fully and completely honest here, no lies.
If we are going on the subject of how my appeal was not judged correctly, and i'll keep it simple this time; basically I feel as if I did as was told, but was given an illusion that I had a chance at getting my ban uplifted (Yes, I am here for the ban to uplifted but I did feel bad about what I had done, you can ask the victim himself if you do please). To be blunt with any choice of wording, I felt as if the decision for me was lame, to say the least. I felt as if a much better way to compromise for the system and myself was that my ban could be uplifted, but if I were to be proven as scamming again, my account would be immediately banned once again with further consequences. That is how I imagined it would go through, except it didn't and I blatantly feel that the admin did not believe me whatsoever and gave another lame excuse by only updating my page to say that I did pay the person back. Just to compare and then move on, if someone committed a crime, served his time, and payed off the bail, would it sound right that that person should go back to jail, but on his jail ID would say, but he payed of his crime.
I'll leave you at that, I would like to talk more. On a personal level, I feel like a recorded voice chat or documented text chat would be nice to work with, but thats only what I think. Thank you for your time.

campingnoobasaurous · Nov 28, 2015

Also, forgot to mention, I am not trying to make a second appeal, i'm only trying to show how I feel that my appeal was unjustifiable. I'm sorry if this feels threatening from a standpoint, i'm really just trying to talk this out and prove my point.

Lava · Nov 29, 2015

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your argument can be summed up as the following:

I was told to repay within 2 weeks. I repaid before the appeal was closed. Even after repaying, my appeal was still denied - why? And to add insult to injury, the admin added "victim repaid" to my profile notes without reducing or removing the tag! I feel misled about whether I had a chance to get untagged at all, and the admin was just manipulating me the entire time. If I repaid, then I should be unbanned, otherwise I shouldn't have repaid!
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Is this the basis of your "unfair handling" argument, or did you have anything else to add/remove?

campingnoobasaurous · Nov 29, 2015

Yes, this sums up how I feel about being cheated through my appeal, since I did my appeal I even started with I feel wrong and I want to pay the victim back if necessary to be unbanned. Now that summary isn't completely honest. The admin said two weeks, and to be honest I did do it a week late, but I had wrote down a request for another week due to the item being held for a week within steam market rules. This was ignored completely to take into account. Thats all I would like added and I feel that that summary describes my situation almost perfectly.

Lava · Nov 29, 2015

Once again, I will direct you to the appeal tips page. It pretty much outlines how appeals are handled. Point 9 is relevant here, and in retrospect so is point 23. Since you seem to have glossed over them, I'll quote both below:

9. Pay back the victim.
As soon as possible.
The sooner you repay your victims, the more that will count in your favor during your appeal. In general, you should have already repaid before submitting your appeal. You can find who you traded with in your inventory history, make sure to repay ALL your victims back. However, repaying your victims is NOT an automatic assurance that your appeal will be granted.

In all cases we ask that the victim leaves a reply on the open report of their case or on the appeal topic regarding the outcome of the repayment.

Acceptable repayment methods are:

Steam tradable items

Tradable Games

TF2 items

CS:GO items

DotA2 items

Steam Trading cards and other Steam items like emoticons, backgrounds and the like

Bitcoin or derivatives of such

This to the liking of the victim(s), so if they don't want specific stuff, you will have to interchange or obtain items that are to the liking of the victim.

Not acceptable for repayment are:

Paypal transactions

Steam Wallet Codes

Game Activation Codes (CD Keys)

Steam accounts or other game platform accounts.

Rules:

First off: Repayment is a REQUIREMENT of the appeal. If you didn't repay, the appeal won't be considered.

Admins do NOT and will not Middleman between Victim and Offender, for admins will not want to touch those items, simply to not implicate their accounts to such. Victim and offender can perfectly fine trade these items between them without such.

If the stolen items where worth a lot more during the scam then it is currently (and only if more then a month has passed between the scam and the repaying), its the value of that item back then. Special issues are then:

This is for items that have dropped significantly, as a rule of thumb its a value drop of more then 15-20%.

If the subjective value dropped from 300 keys to 290 keys for example, that doesn't count.

If value dropped from 300 to 100 keys, it will be required to repay the lost value up to 80% of the original value. (in that example: 80% of 300 keys = 240 keys worth - the worth of the item itself if the item itself is returned.)

Reasoning: Items get worth less over time, we cannot help that, but its also unreasonable to expect a scammer to pay the full price. However, if market fluctuates a lot, a owner could have reacted to that by selling their item for a quicksell to not make that much loss. The loss of the item(s) prevented that the real owner could act upon it, which is what needs compensating. 80 % seems to be the right percentile.

Victim does NOT have to have any form of permission from SR to receive their repayment from what was scammed from them. The reason is that it does NOT count to our rules of not trading with scammers. We have the repay victim rule in our appeal system so they can get even.

The Victim is in NO way obligated to accept the repay, or any "conditions" to it that the appealer wants. That is entirely up to the victim if they want to be repaid due a appeal. Victim may refuse to receive the items, for being angry with the appealer and lost care of the value or w/e reason they seem fit. Though it will be taken into account with a appeal, it is NOT a deciding factor to force the appeal to a denial. If the victim wants repay, this is the one time we can require repay to the victim from the accused. The victim can therefore not force a outcome of a appeal by denying repay.

Repay must preferably be in Steam Tradable items, which the VICTIM agrees to. So while you may have the value in all kind of crappy items, the victim does not have to accept that. Items that are acceptable are:

The original items stolen from the victim.

Same type / model etc items (replacement for the same, so say a strange huntsman is not the same one, but a replacement, that would be ok, but not difference in strange parts, unless extra)

Common goods like Buds, Bill's, Keys, etc. (to the liking of the victim, in value equal or equal enough to be acceptable by victim)

And if the original items are not obtainable:

Steam Tradeable Games (to the liking of the victim, in value equal)

Steam Tradeable items (to the liking of the victim, in value equal)

Some items may be excluded by the appealer, but within reason.

That means that it cannot be stuff like game accounts on other platforms, CD-keys / steam wallet keys, Paypal, etc. These accounts and CD/steam wallet keys have some big downsides, we do NOT want the victims to burn themselves on those.

The items for repay cannot be stolen/frauded items from others or be disputed items.

In cases, the appealer can be "forgiven" by the victim etc, and told by the victim to not have to pay back.

Repayment should NOT be a fuss, just say sorry, and just pay back as soon as possible without making all kinds of demands or w/e. Its not for the appealer to make demands at this point, he's outed on his upholding a trade agreement, and needs to make amends.

Not paying back means 2 downsides in a appeal. For to us it can mean the appealer didn't want to pay back (with whatever means that was achieved), and that there was no actual repay. Intent and facts both weight for the appeal.

Methods to get into contact with the victim(s) (in order of preference):

Friends invite via Steam.

If the profile comments is public, you can make a comment there. Or on one of their screenshots. Depends on privacy settings of that person.

If friend invite gets ignored/blocked, ask a common friend to ask the victim to add you. You can view who are common friends on the Steam profile of the victim.

If you don't have friends that are friends with the victim, ask one of your better friends to add the victim and ask 'm to add you for repaying.

Long shot: PM via the forums here, you can PM someone on the report(s) against you. Click on their name below their avatar and click "Start a Conversation" and hope they come to SteamRep forums sometime soon.

If you had a PayPal trade with the victim, you can email them on that email address.

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23. Appeal objectives to establish for SteamRep.
The objective for appeals for SteamRep is to establish:
- Innocence of the appealer (or not)
- Severity of the offense(s) and assess if that was light enough to allow for a lowering of the ban.
- Make a risk assessment of the appealer to relapse.

Too often arguments are made that appealers want use of a site or "winnings" on such, think time "served" is of import, promises to never scam again, etc. These arguments are not relevant to SteamRep. Once established that a report was true, and the offender was not hijacked at that time, the admin will establish the severity (repay, intent, premeditated, involving real-world money like PayPal/bitcoint/webmoney, falsifying evidence during offense or on the report, etc etc), and then verify the appeal.

Most appeals will be denied however. Its not often that we establish that a ban should be removed. If you cannot find a compelling argument to your case, maybe you should wait before making a appeal till you can. Remember: only one appeal allowed.
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Repayment is a requirement for your appeal to be considered, not a guarantee that you will be untagged. This is not a negotiation for returning stolen goods in return for overturning a tit for tat punishment, our job is to warn the community of someone who has scammed and poses a threat to the community. For a change of heart appeal, the admin's job is to judge how sorry you are, how likely you are to scam again, how serious the offense was, etc. Part of that determination is the circumstances surrounding the repayment. If you did not repay before submitting an appeal, that appeal is unlikely to be considered; often the appeal will be rejected outright, and the admin has every right to. In your case, You Are The One was lenient and gave you 2 weeks to repay, which you further did not meet. Only after being given a deadline did you repay at all, and even then after the deadline, which reflects poorly on your intentions. For that, You Are The One had to deny your appeal, but since you did repay (albeit late, and probably only to get untagged) he was nice enough to include the fact you ultimately repaid in your public notes.

Appeal review denied.

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