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Completed: Friends Commonwealth Gaming Application

Discussion in 'Archived Applications' started by Theblackman, May 31, 2013.

  1. Theblackman

    Theblackman New User

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    First off, thank you all for SteamRep and the associated plugins, very helpful with our trade servers.

    1. Please list the URL/IP of each server in your community that runs the SteamRep plugin and how many days each has been running it.

    All TF2 Servers:
    25/8 Trade Server: 72.5.195.80 || cwgtftrade1.game.nfoservers.com
    24/7 Trade Server: 64.74.97.67 || cwgtftrade3.game.nfoservers.com
    23/6 Trade Server: 216.52.148.22 || cwgtftrade2.game.nfoservers.com


    All 3 servers have been running the SR plugin with the API keys since: 1/19/12 the plugin itself has been on the 25/8 server since 10/9/11. So they have all been using the plugin for a while.

    2. Have you made any modifications or changes to the SteamRep plugin? If so, please list.

    No we have not made any modifications to the SR plugin

    3. Please list the URL of your community's Steam group.


    http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Commonwealthgaming

    4. Please list the URL of your admins Steam group.


    http://steamcommunity.com/groups/cwgadmins

    5. Please list ALL admins (not in the above group) and/or moderators of your community below with links to their SteamRep profile (e.g. HelenAngel - http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197977521239)


    We keep all admins up to date via that steam group. We do have some that are not associated with TF2, however we make sure they are not scammers regardless.

    6. What are your community's policies on scamming & scamming-related activities?

    We allow everyone to play on our servers. However if they are caught scamming on our server they are immediately banned. We do however not have an immediate ban for players labeled as "scammer" via SR. We think that everyone deserves a chance, but again with that being said, if someone scams another player they are banned.

    7. Why does your community wish to be affiliated with SteamRep?


    Commonwealth Gaming would like to be affiliated with SR because we like the values that SR upholds. It shows that our community does everything within its power to keep a clean and safe place to trade in.

    8. Please provide a link to your community's website (if applicable)


    http://www.commonwealthgaming.net/

    9. Please provide a link to your community's Sourcebans or ban/report forum.


    http://cwgfastdl.site.nfoservers.com/Sourcebans/

    10. Please provide a link to your community's stats page, hlstatsx or GameMe (if applicable).


    http://www.cwgstats.net

    11. Please provide additional details about your community such as how it came to be, how long it has been around, the primary goals of it, what it does, etc.


    Commonwealth Gaming is an open gaming community that was founded back in 2009. We play in several Steam based games as well as Minecraft. Our mission is to create servers that people enjoy playing in. We enjoy having anyone come play on our servers. Plus, we game, so we enjoy having a fun place to go.

    12. Please post your community's desired banner (if not already on SR).


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  2. Hitman Sparky

    Hitman Sparky User

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    How many days have you had the SteamRep plugin?
  3. Penguin The Fluffy

    Penguin The Fluffy Articus Birdicus Defenderus Retired Staff

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    These two seem to counteract each other..

    You claim that you want to keep a clean safe place yet you allow scammers on your server. Rather than taking a preventative approach that would keep the users on your server safe, you would rather take a reactive approach and not ban them until a player has been scam or you actually catch them attempting to scam....

    It might just be me but that is not doing everything within your power to protect the users. Also I believe everyone deserves a chance to prove their innocence, but they can do that in their appeal.

    If they are not innocent and they actually are scammers then why let them on your server to trade? Isnt that promoting trading with scammers? Which is something that none of us wants to promote.

    I know personally I would feel 100% responsible for a person getting scammed if I allowed the scammer on the server and that is how he targeted them.
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  4. Theblackman

    Theblackman New User

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    First off, to answer the question from Hitman Sparky. I do not manage the plugins personally, however from what my partner said, it looks like we have had the SR plugins running on all 3 of the servers for over 450 days.

    Yes I definitely can see where what I wrote contradicts. We have the server set up (I don't know if its the plugin for SR or something else) so when a "scammer" has entered the server a name change occurs and the player entering is labeled as [Scammer]. This is the first step that we have in place to warn the people in the server that the person entering is a known SR scammer. We also have it set up that those players labeled as scammers are kicked to make room for people that are not labeled as such. This allows for everyone to join, but also gives everyone a warning. I personally have not had any bad encounters with those labeled as scammers yet, although it could happen.

    We do take precautions by having admins on throughout the day that help monitor the servers as well. If we encounter anyone trying to scam another player on our server though, we ban them from playing.

    While it may look like we are a bit lenient with allowing people to come and play on the servers, we do take the necessary precautions in labeling scammers for everyone to see and we keep a watchful eye on the server itself and through server logs to make sure that people do not scam.

    Another way we try to minimize scamming is by not allowing players on the server to do spycrab gambling and raffles. We moderate those as well to ensure players don't steal.

    I hope this is more helpful for you and for anyone else who may have a question about the way we moderate. I agree its a bit long winded in some parts, and for that I apologize. Thank you for your question.
  5. Theblackman

    Theblackman New User

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    For question number 5, here is a list of every admin in our community just in case I did fill that out incorrectly.

    Co-Owner Bobbo: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197984586291
    Co-Owner Blackman: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197991651603

    Managers:
    Darius: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197974593131
    BKandFries: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198008158371
    JamesDerf: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197993198149
    Frostelf: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198019972411
    Newt Ostrich: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198018868172
    Amy: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198022387434
    White Hike: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197964621395
    Trip Out: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197965184133

    Admins:
    SK: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197994818580
    Porkbit: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198018142889
    4K: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198034327698
    Blazin: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197986621724
    DeltaForest: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198034028769
    Hawkins: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197980576578
    McBrocoli: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198039020576
    Rockie: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198002435753
    Rezz: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198012306651
    Kiwi: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197997772104
    Tech: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197970426935
    Stranger: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198041264846
    Acewinner: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198048074332
    B00ts: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197972383367
    bman: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198044984323
    Camry: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198067760930
    Carter: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197994228567
    Rainbow: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198065989058
    Sodium: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198000040820
    Flight: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198049188701

    That should be everyone. Unless I missed one by accident.
  6. Penguin The Fluffy

    Penguin The Fluffy Articus Birdicus Defenderus Retired Staff

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    Again by not banning them and allowing them on the server is that not condoning trading with scammers?

    Basically by your logic, it is ok for a marked scammer to go in your server and trade and potentially make a profit off the stole items they have. That it is ok to help that scammer profit as long as he doesn't scam anyone there.

    I do have to say this community greatly disappoints me. You shouldn't make claims that you are trying to protect the community when you knowingly put them at risk. Yet you choose not to take an action to prevent it and instead only take real action when your choices result in someone getting scammed.
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  7. Xenophobia

    Xenophobia Retired Staff

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    Your forum account needs to be connected to your steam one.
  8. Theblackman

    Theblackman New User

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    I thought I had my account connected at one point, but I had to create a separate one because the login info was not able to be found. How do I connect my steam account to this forum account. I could not find a link for it in my profile settings.

    For Penguin, I totally see where you are coming from, and I can say that I have neglected to think of it that way, but with that being said, currently that is how we have the server set up. I do not condone scammers selling items that are not truly their own so I may look into changing that aspect of the server. Thank you for your replies and your comments on that matter, it does always help to have other points of view.
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    Theblackman New User

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    I found the space where it says "Steam" but I don't see anything that actually links my steam account. I don't know if that helps or not.
  10. Secret T☆co [MCA]

    Secret T☆co [MCA] New User

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    "Another way we try to minimize scamming is by not allowing players on the server to do spycrab gambling and raffles"
    Like Penguin stated people using your servers are suffering because you allow scammers on them. Your better off handing out permanent Bans on marked scammers, if their mark is lifted they can simply submit a ban appeal on the forum. This gives you the ability to accept or deny a previously marked scammer as well as handle your own Marking's if you get accepted properly.

    EDIT:
    After going through a few pages of your sourcebans i found a recurring problem. On multiple occasions i've seen people with very racist names, that of which did not get banned for such.

    May i ask you community's policy on racism?
  11. Theblackman

    Theblackman New User

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    Sure, we don't allow racist people or names on the servers so when someone comes into a server, we will warn a player and ask them to change their name. If that does not work we kick them. If we have a player that comes into the server after being kicked for having a racist name we will ban them for a period of time. If players come back in multiple times with racist names we will then perm. ban them from playing on the servers. Our goal is not to perm. ban everyone in the server, however we do give more then one chance for someone to abide by our rules.

    In short no we do not tolerate racism on the server and a player that has abused that is warned, kicked, and/or banned from playing here even though we may not do it the first time.We use Sourcebans to track the violators and if they are a constant problem or offender, then we will totally remove them from our servers.
  12. Secret T☆co [MCA]

    Secret T☆co [MCA] New User

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    You might want to have a chat with your admins, this one person in particular got banned 4 times in the span of 1 day with the same name "ALL N *** E R S MUST BURN"(censored to avoid offending anyone)

    Reference: http://cwgfastdl.site.nfoservers.co...=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0:1:36227887&Submit

    While i do understand other community's have their rules and standards when it comes to bans id hope you and your admins are more diligent when it comes to such a topic. Thanks again for responding quick and thoroughly!
  13. cwg| Bobbo!

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    Howdy folks,


    I am co-owner with Theblackman with CWG. Not sure if I have to "prove" that or not...

    I start off with I am not a TF2 Trader by trade (HAHA!) so to say.

    Anyway, I wanted to take a few moments to address some concerns brought up here with our policies.

    "Scammer Tag Vs Banning any labeled Scammer."

    Steamrep is an awesome plugin, I think it helps people make decisions with who to trade with in game. However, it isn't flawless. Browsing the steam rep forums, I discovered this :

    http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/76561198044281266.30125/

    So while I can understand mistakes happen, and do not blame anyone, what if that was a regular in your server? If you had steam rep set to ban him, he would get the message "you have been banned from this server..." Now he thinks you banned him. A donor gets banned?

    The point being, while it is an awesome plugin, and it allows users who would otherwise run scam after scam on people everywhere, it has flaws. Now, if that player was allow to connect, but then was changed to to tag "SCAMMER" right away, that allows the admins of said server to explain the situation, research the situation, ect.

    This isn't to say that there aren't obvious perks to having it set to Block anyone labeled a scammer. Obviously if they are labeled as such and blocked, then we would avoid any headache with anyone labeled. The downside being any mistakes in said list of scammers.


    Or, in the event that they try to appeal; and are from UHC.... SteamRep says to go to you guys. You guys say " we don't accept appeals for UHC Tags". While I have no idea what number of people that represents, I personally don't like the idea that someone could be unjustly banned and unable to appeal.

    As for the ban above:

    The ban was set for longer, but I spoke with the person on steam, and he agreed to change his name. I told him he was on his last warning. That player has not been in our server since. If he was to be banned again, for any reason, he would violate a policy we have for # of bans, and end up getting a 6 month ban.


    While I understand some clans / communities hand out bans like they are candy; we aren't one of them. We feel generally that people can be decent. Some people you have to ban, some people are trolls / scammers. Some people do deserve a second chance, however. Please feel free to comment / ask questions / anything else you need.
  14. Xenophobia

    Xenophobia Retired Staff

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    So, the plugin is flawed because sometimes people make mistakes? That is not an excuse whatsoever. Human error is a part of any kind of work, mistakes are made.

    That example can be easily turned against you as the tag was reversed after the mistake was discovered. There is always a very small chance that someone could be mistakenly tagged, and if they are, they will always be able to appeal. You can't say that you don't make mistakes sometimes.

    Mann Co Trading doesn't accept UHC appeals because those tags were applied literally years ago.


    Bottom line: The fact that you allow scammers on your server(s) means that you are condoning your users to trade with scammers because you allow them to.

    Also want to say, I am speaking on my behalf, not SteamRep or any other community.
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  15. Clive

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    I would suggest looking at the plug-in more closely, Pretender already addressed one part, and also you can make the plug-in only ban for x days so people who appeal their tag will be unbanned. You can also set the plug-in to not ban certain tags, in your case you could not ban UHC tagged people.

    Tags are most certainly NOT handed out like candy, which is why so many communities use the SR plug-in to begin with.
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  16. Penguin The Fluffy

    Penguin The Fluffy Articus Birdicus Defenderus Retired Staff

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    As pretender said the UHC tags are not accepted because they were done by a community literally going on 3 years ago. The reason players are pointed toward us, is if they have a way of proving their innocence with new evidence that was not available at the time (which is very unlikely) then we will do the investigation. The reason for that is due to a merger of UTC (The original group that handled UHC tags as it was the community that was birthed from the ashes of UHC) and MCT under the MCT name. It was the UTC policy not to accept UHC appeals and we agreed to uphold that standard in the merger. If you do not fully comprehend how the tags came to be and how MCT came to be over them, then please do not comment on them. UHC itself has been dead for going on 3 years. If they have not appealed in 3 years they obviously were either guilty and know it or they didn't care and if they didnt care there is no point to the appeal.
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    Applications are supposed to be for groups/servers in good standing with a modicum of experience/knowledge about the community.

    Given you have no knowledge of UHC/UTC tags, you guys must be either fairly new or do not read SR, also given the comments about the integrity of SR tags, you must be either infallible or obtuse. I think perhaps you should have waited some time before bothering to apply.

    Oh as to your question, I am Admin in three communities, perhaps a few hundred servers total, and we ban scammers via SR, no matter who they are. Not just "donors" any Admin with even a caution = FIRED. Does that give a better understanding of what zero tolerance means?
  18. cwg| Bobbo!

    cwg| Bobbo! New User

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    Hey, thanks for the quick replies!


    Sorry, I guess my first line was covered with my following comments. I'm not trying to pretend I understand or read these forums much at all. That much can be clear by my "new status" right under my avatar I'm sure.


    @ pretender: The plugin isn't flawed; it does exactly what it is made to do, but people can be flawed yes. If an admin makes a mistake for me, I have a chance to speak to him, understand the mistake and work with him. If there is a mistake on here, honestly, all I could do is hope a mod finds it. If the group doesn't accept those appeals, which fully makes sense, why does the steam rep site still direct them there? I am going to assume it is because there is such a low % chance that someone would bother to try and appeal at this stage, but it still seems wrong to deny a protest, reguardless of how much time has passed.

    @ clive If the plugin banned someone for a day, the message being sent to the player is they are banned. To the best of my knowledge, the only ban message that will be sent is "you have been banned from this server." there isn't a reason field. Again, I could be wrong on this front. I do agree tho, that Tags are not being handed out like candy, but every now and again, a tag could be put on by mistake.


    @ penguin : I apologize for searching the stickies on your forums. I found it confusing that it was telling me to appeal there for your forums to pretty much say, nope. I do thank you for explaining it in more detail


    @ Venganza: I had to Google 3 of those words sir, and I don't like feeling dumb, so I have to say your avatar is silly looking. But, I don't doubt your credentials by any means, although being an admin in a few 100 servers seems like overkill to me. I get mad enough trying to keep track of the 18ish we have. Anyway, I won't pretend I have frequented these forums or have a huge understanding of the community at hand. I do understand that you guys see our application, see we do things differently (read: WRONG) and you don't like that. Which is fine, you don't have to like that.


    With that being said, If it is some sort of requirement for this steam rep plugin to be set to ban instead of scammer, is it not in the requirements for a particular reason? Don't get me wrong, I understand this isn't something where you apply, people read it once and go , "hey, they spelled every word right, they are in!" but if these things have to be set a certain way, why not just make that the requirement. It is like the office space flair situation, if you want 37 pieces of flair...
  19. Regen

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    This is one of the things I reacted on, same as VenGanZa.
    Are you saying that if someone donate they get a "get out of jail free" card?
    Put it like this:

    Person A is a donator
    Person B is the victim

    In the first scenario Person A scams person B
    Because person A is a regular and a good donator, you decide to do what?

    Would you report it to SR without a second though? or would you let it slide for this time?
  20. cwg| Bobbo!

    cwg| Bobbo! New User

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    If someone scams, they are gone. If I caught blackman scamming; I'd ban him, and he owns half of what I'd be banning him from!

    What I am saying is, in the event that a mistake is made and someone who donates is banned via SR; and SR is set to autoban anyone set to scammer, someone who donates comes in and gets banned with out seeing the reason. They wouldn't know what they did, they just know they are banned. it is clearly a rare, if at ever, event.


    To reply to your situation above:

    I'd ban, refund, and report assuming I have proper proof and not just "he scammed me" as evidence. I'd also recommend person B change there name from victim to like Victor, or something, it might make him less of a target.