Accepted Report: 76561197961713495 - ([TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items)

Scam Report

Report Type: [Trade Offer Fraud] Using Trade Offer URL fraud
Virtual item type involved: [TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items

Accused profile: 76561197961713495

Victim profile: 76561198082671236

What happened? Description:

Guy adds me wanting to buy my unusual (Burning Flames Bonk Leadwear).
He agreed to meet the price I was selling it for and asked if I would check if the item was available to sell on opskins, before he traded for it.
I haven't used opskins before so I check to see if it's safe, and it is. I send him my trade offer link.
I sign in through Steam on the site, and add my unusual to the 'Sell Queue' as I was asked.
I'm told I should get a trade offer from a bot on opskins, which I do.
I'm still suspicious though, so before accepting the offer from the bot, I remove the item and add another. I get no trade offer this time.
He says it must be due to 'server delay' and that I should try again with the unusual.
So I tell him I've once again, added my unusual to the sell queue, and once again, I get a trade offer from another 'official opskins tradebot', and this one has a different ID.
Except, I hadn't added my unusual to the sell queue at all, I added a completely different item, so it was clear that this guy had many of these 'official opskins bot accounts', and was just sending me the trade offer himself when he thought I added it.​

Provide Evidence:

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Evidence #1 - Proof of the initial trade agreement


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Evidence #2 - Proof of the broken agreement or scam attempt


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Evidence #3 - Proof of the broken agreement or scam attempt (continued)


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Evidence #4 - Proof that you verified the identity of the person


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16:19 - Kamikaze: hello
16:19 - Kamikaze: busy?
16:19 - turtlebyte: hi
16:19 - turtlebyte: nope
16:19 - Kamikaze: i'd like to ask about your unusual
16:19 - Kamikaze: is it still for trade?
16:20 - turtlebyte: yeah
16:20 - Kamikaze: may i know how much are you asking for it?
16:20 - turtlebyte: around 40
16:20 - Kamikaze: i can manage that
16:20 - Kamikaze: can you send me your trade offer url so i can send offer from my main?
16:21 - turtlebyte: sure
16:22 - turtlebyte: https://steamcommunity.com/tradeoffer/new/?partner=122405508&token=7DI4iwgg
16:22 - Kamikaze: thanks
16:22 - Kamikaze: by the way have you used opskins or heard of it before?
16:23 - turtlebyte: yes i've heard of it, i haven't used it
16:23 - Kamikaze: coz im currently buying and reselling items on opskins so i just want to confirm that your unusual is 100% marketable on opskins. is that okay?
16:23 - turtlebyte: what makes an item legible for selling on opskins?
16:24 - Kamikaze: coz ive traded unusuals before that i can list on opskins market
16:24 - Kamikaze: that is why now im making sure to check on opskins market before i trade
16:25 - turtlebyte: no, i'm asking how will i know if it's marketable on opskins?
16:25 - Kamikaze: it will be listed on opskins market
16:25 - Kamikaze: you will list it
16:25 - Kamikaze: and after i see it on opskins market
16:25 - turtlebyte: can't we just trade it through steam?
16:25 - Kamikaze: i will send offer of pure for it after you retrieve your unusual
16:25 - Kamikaze: we will trade it through steam
16:26 - Kamikaze: will just have to check it on opskins market first
16:26 - Kamikaze: is that ok with you?
16:26 - turtlebyte: ok so you're marked on steamrep, you know that?
16:26 - Kamikaze: steam rep is not associated with valve though. but yeah. many users ban me because of using 2 accounts. one account i use to talk to traders. they think im scamming them though
16:27 - turtlebyte: well this sounds like a scam, why can't we just trade through steam?
16:27 - Kamikaze: its not a scam
16:27 - Kamikaze: its just a quick check
16:27 - turtlebyte: you're not answering though
16:27 - Kamikaze: that is false report from a raged trader
16:27 - turtlebyte: why can't we just trade through steam?
16:27 - Kamikaze: i will send offer after we do the checking
16:28 - turtlebyte: what do you want to check for?
16:28 - Kamikaze: if its marketable on opksins
16:28 - turtlebyte: you can see if it's duped/clean or stolen on backpack.tf
16:28 - turtlebyte: what more information do you want?
16:28 - Kamikaze: backpack is different from opskins market though
16:28 - Kamikaze: that is why i want to check on opskins market
16:29 - turtlebyte: i've traded hundreds of times and never needed to use opskins before
16:29 - turtlebyte: i won't be using it this time
16:29 - Kamikaze: coz those traders are not reselling them on opskins
16:30 - Kamikaze: i want to check on opskins market coz ill be reselling it on opskins
16:30 - Kamikaze: i want to check if i can sell it there
16:31 - turtlebyte: you will be able to sell it there
16:31 - turtlebyte: it's a clean unusual
16:31 - turtlebyte: no different from any other item
16:31 - Kamikaze: i want to see it listed on opskins market though
16:32 - Kamikaze: coz ive traded what is considered "clean" on backpack that i cannot list on opskins market
16:35 - Kamikaze: still there?
16:37 - turtlebyte: https://gyazo.com/ed98250132ebbfa308e771c2751a0fe1
16:37 - turtlebyte: ok see
16:37 - turtlebyte: it's letting me sell it
16:37 - Kamikaze: its in sale queue?
16:38 - turtlebyte: yes you can see the screenshot above
16:37 - Kamikaze: dont click deposit items
16:38 - Kamikaze: a sale queue offer will arrive for your unusual
16:38 - turtlebyte: i'm not selling it on opskins though
16:38 - turtlebyte: i'm selling it for keys through steam
16:38 - turtlebyte: this was just proof that you are able to sell it
16:38 - Kamikaze: so that it will be listed on opskins market
16:38 - Kamikaze: it needs to be listed on opskins market
16:39 - Kamikaze: being in sale queue is not proof enough
16:39 - Kamikaze: there should be a sale queue offer from opskins for your unusual
16:39 - Kamikaze: is your unusual still on sale queue though?
16:39 - turtlebyte: i just added it back now
16:39 - Kamikaze: now wait for sale queue offer from opskins
16:40 - Kamikaze: can you check if you have sale queue offer from opskins?
16:40 - turtlebyte: where can i check?
16:40 - Kamikaze: check your steam
16:40 - Kamikaze: got it?
16:41 - turtlebyte: yeah it's a trade offer
16:41 - Kamikaze: does it have a security token?
16:41 - turtlebyte: i don't trust this website though, i've never used it before
16:41 - turtlebyte: is there another way you can check if it's really clean?
16:41 - Kamikaze: i need to see it listed on opskins market though
16:41 - turtlebyte: yes there's a security token
16:41 - Kamikaze: copy or memorize it. it's very important, you need that so you can retrieve your unusual after i see it on opskins marketlist
16:41 - Kamikaze: done copying the token?
16:42 - Kamikaze: done?
16:43 - turtlebyte: i'm seeing it's safe
16:43 - Kamikaze: accept the offer from opskins. message me when you have accepted so i can reload opskins marketlist directly, okay?
16:43 - Kamikaze: tell me when you accepted
16:44 - Kamikaze: so i can refresh opskins market
16:45 - Kamikaze: done accepting
16:45 - Kamikaze: ?
16:45 - turtlebyte: so i added another item to the trade queue, but i don't get another trade offer from opskins?
16:45 - turtlebyte: why is that?
16:45 - Kamikaze: that means that item is not marketable
16:46 - Kamikaze: just accept the offer
16:46 - Kamikaze: so that after i see it
16:46 - Kamikaze: you retrieve it
16:46 - Kamikaze: and i will send offer with pures for it
16:46 - turtlebyte: so if i don't get a trade offer then the item is not marketable?
16:46 - Kamikaze: yes
16:46 - turtlebyte: https://gyazo.com/417750dc30c77c2c9b27c61082cac869
16:46 - turtlebyte: so you can see that i do get a trade offer for my unusual
16:47 - turtlebyte: which means that it IS marketable
16:47 - turtlebyte: that's all the proof you need
16:47 - Kamikaze: nope
16:47 - Kamikaze: i need to see it listed on opskins market
16:47 - turtlebyte: but i wouldn't have gotten the trade offer if it wasn't marketable?
16:47 - Kamikaze: not just trade offers for your item
16:48 - Kamikaze: i dunno with opskins about the other item you added on sale queue
16:48 - Kamikaze: can you just accept the offer
16:48 - Kamikaze: so i can send pure after you get your unusual back?
16:48 - turtlebyte: i don't think this is safe
16:48 - turtlebyte: i should get another trade offer when i add another item
16:48 - Kamikaze: it is
16:49 - turtlebyte: and you're marked on steamrep, so why should i trust you?
16:49 - Kamikaze: coz ive been trading on opskins since 2015
16:49 - Kamikaze: and that is how things work
16:49 - Kamikaze: like i said its false accusation of some enraged trader
16:50 - Kamikaze: did you accept the offer?
16:50 - turtlebyte: i declined it and readded the unusual to the queue, but this time i don't get an offer
16:51 - turtlebyte: which makes me think that it's a fake bot
16:51 - Kamikaze: what?
16:51 - Kamikaze: maybe opskins server delay
16:51 - turtlebyte: i declined the trade offer, removed my item from queue, readded the item, and this time i don't have a trade offer
16:51 - turtlebyte: so it's a fake bot
16:51 - Kamikaze: its not
16:52 - turtlebyte: so why don't i get a trade offer like last time?
16:52 - Kamikaze: can you add the item again
16:52 - Kamikaze: maybe opskins server delay
16:52 - Kamikaze: done adding to sale queue?
16:53 - turtlebyte: yeah i removed it and readded it
16:53 - turtlebyte: still nothing
16:53 - Kamikaze: can you check again?
16:53 - Kamikaze: got it?
16:54 - turtlebyte: wait a minue
16:54 - turtlebyte: minute*
16:54 - Kamikaze: if there is a warning in accepting
16:54 - Kamikaze: just neglect the warning
16:54 - Kamikaze: all trade offers from opskins bots have warning coz the offer is empty
16:55 - Kamikaze: did you accept?
16:55 - turtlebyte: no i don't get the trade offer again
16:56 - turtlebyte: i got another trade offer for my unusual but i didn't even put my unusual in the sale queue
16:56 - turtlebyte: i put in a different item
16:57 - turtlebyte: this seems so fake dude
16:57 - turtlebyte: i don't see why you need to check on opskins marketplace
16:57 - Kamikaze: coz i want to check if it is marketable
16:58 - turtlebyte: it's a clean unusual you can check on any trade website
16:58 - Kamikaze: why keep on testing on other stuffs when i only want to see listed is your unusual
16:58 - turtlebyte: because i wanted to see if it was a fake bot, by testing it with other items
16:59 - turtlebyte: i still don't get the offer for it
16:59 - Kamikaze: what is in your sale queue though?
16:59 - Kamikaze: is it the unusual?
16:59 - turtlebyte: what?
16:59 - turtlebyte: in my sale queue i have only 1 item
16:59 - turtlebyte: and it's not my unusual
16:59 - turtlebyte: i should get an offer for it but i don't
17:00 - Kamikaze: i dont know about opskins on that
17:01 - turtlebyte: i think you are telling the truth, but i can't risk losing this unusual by not being able to get it back due to 'server delay' like you said
17:02 - Kamikaze: you wont lose your unusual
17:02 - Kamikaze: that is what the security token is for
17:02 - Kamikaze: so that you can retrieve it
17:03 - Kamikaze: can you add your unusual to sale queue so that we can be done with the checking?
17:03 - turtlebyte: i'm still waiting to get an offer for my other item, if i don't get an offer for it then how will i know i can get an offer to retrieve it?
17:04 - Kamikaze: maybe the item you added to sale queue is cannot be listed on opskins market
17:04 - Kamikaze: that is why you dont get the offer
17:04 - Kamikaze: they dont send offer for an item that wont be listed on opskins market though
17:05 - Kamikaze: so can we just proceed with the unusual check?
17:06 - turtlebyte: if i get an offer, then it means it can listed on opskins market. i DID get an offer for my unsual, which means it can definitely be listed on opskins market
17:06 - Kamikaze: nope
17:06 - turtlebyte: dude that's literally what you just told me
17:06 - Kamikaze: you misunderstood me
17:07 - turtlebyte: if i don't get an offer, then it can't be listed - so if i DO get an offer, it CAN be listed
17:07 - turtlebyte: that's obvious
17:07 - Kamikaze: the only way to know that it is marketable is it will be listed on opskins market
17:07 - Kamikaze: you can have an offer for your unusual but it wont appear on opskins market
17:07 - Kamikaze: it will go directly to your opskins inventory
17:08 - Kamikaze: so that is why you need to accept the offer so that we can see it if it will be listed on market
17:08 - Kamikaze: or go directly to inventory
17:08 - turtlebyte: i've had this unusual sat in the sale queue for over 15 minutes now
17:08 - Kamikaze: did you get me?
17:08 - turtlebyte: and no trade offer
17:09 - turtlebyte: yeah i understand
17:09 - turtlebyte: but this 'server delay' has been happening for 15 minutes
17:09 - turtlebyte: that's too fishy
17:09 - Kamikaze: can you remove and add it to sale queue again?
17:09 - turtlebyte: yeah ok
17:09 - Kamikaze: the unusual
17:10 - turtlebyte: ok i added it again
17:10 - Kamikaze: done?
17:10 - Kamikaze: can you check your steam again?
17:10 - Kamikaze: if you got sale queue offer?
17:10 - turtlebyte: https://gyazo.com/66d9cd1a59698abb1e58c60fdcbe1f03
17:10 - turtlebyte: come on dude
17:10 - turtlebyte: are you even trying?
17:11 - turtlebyte: up your scammer game idiot
17:11 - turtlebyte: f✿✿✿✿✿✿ idiot
17:12 - Kamikaze is now Offline.