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Accepted Report: 76561198123251772 - ([TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items)

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  1. redw

    redw New User

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    Scam Report

    Report Type: [Money] PayPal scam or scam attempt
    Virtual item type involved: [TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items

    Accused profile: 76561198123251772

    Victim profile: 76561198066161207

    What happened? Description:
    I was just chilling on steam until Kiwi contacted me about me selling him my 2 unusual through marketplace.tf and I told him i was on trade hold since I switched devices and he tell me a few minutes later I scammed him so I check my paypal and I noticed on Feb,19,2019 he did a charge-back somehow even though it was under family n friends so I assume he contacted paypal to get a charge-back and my account goes negative -$159.73 (CANADIAN) I get mad since his this is my main paypal I usually use so I asked him why he charged back and he said apparently he was "hacked" , I showed him all information that my account went negative and i asked him to show me his paypal which he wouldn't cause he knows he did a charge-back, I was luck enough to not have any money on it at the time I originally bought an unusual which was -$159.73 and i assumed he probably wanted to see if I had money in my paypal or something to try and scam me or at least try to. I record most of our conversation and will provide screenshots. he literally begs me not to report him cause it'll ruin his rep so he said he'll just make a new account and try to evade.​

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    [03:06]
    Kiwi:
    If I did I would've done it the day after man
    not f✿✿✿✿✿✿ 2 weeks after
    are you gonna mark me?
    please don't man
    thats f✿✿✿ed

    [03:07]
    red:
    show me ur screenshot
    of ur paypal
    NOW
    ur hiding something

    [03:08]
    Kiwi:
    you're just gonna use it as evidence to report me

    [03:08]
    red:
    no

    [03:08]
    Kiwi:
    yes you will

    [03:08]
    red:
    if u show me

    [03:08]
    Kiwi:
    did u lose any money?
    no
    so why are u so worried?

    [03:08]
    red:
    regardless of losing money
    its fishy
    and scummy
    i just want to see ur paypal

    [03:09]
    Kiwi:
    yeah well when I asked you I thought u scammed me

    [03:09]
    red:
    i won't mark u
    bro u f✿✿✿ed up

    [03:09]
    Kiwi:
    I didn't touch my paypal account man

    [03:09]
    red:
    u basically exposed urself
    dude

    [03:09]
    Kiwi:
    ever since I offered on ur compaion
    I was wanting to check if I had any money on there

    [03:09]
    red:
    then how would u had bought my other unusuals
    ???
    if u haven't used paypal?
    u don't got keys

    [03:09]
    Kiwi:
    marketplace?
    I can still buy it off u if ur keen off
    Securely buy and sell TF2 items
    Buy and sell TF2 items quickly and safely.
    http://marketplace.tf

    [03:10]
    red:
    don't u need money in ur paypal
    or are u using credit card

    [03:10]
    Kiwi:
    nah I can pay with cards
    yeah just use my card
    so are u willing to pay though marketplace.tf?
    to sell*
    sorry
    ?
    hey u there bro?

    [03:15]
    red:
    sell what?

    [03:15]
    Kiwi:
    ur compaion

    [03:15]
    red:
    im not trading anything with u right now

    [03:15]
    Kiwi:
    via
    Securely buy and sell TF2 items
    Buy and sell TF2 items quickly and safely.
    http://marketplace.tf

    dude

    [03:15]
    red:
    no

    [03:15]
    Kiwi:
    I legit told u before the trade
    ur taking a f✿✿✿✿✿✿ risk

    [03:15]
    red:
    I can't trade even
    I'm on trade hold

    [03:15]
    Kiwi:
    oh ok dw
    well I can only do 70 max anywya

    [03:15]
    red:
    show me ur paypal
    of ur history

    [03:16]
    Kiwi:
    since theres a seller at 74

    [03:16]
    red:
    ur hiding something

    [03:16]
    Kiwi:
    Nah cuz you're gonna use it against me
    and I'm not willing to do that

    [03:16]
    red:
    why are u so scared
    ill use it against
    I can use the information I have already to report u anyway
    so regardless if u don't want me to expose u

    [03:16]
    Kiwi:
    report me on what?

    [03:16]
    red:
    show me ur paypal
    YOU LITERALLY TRIED TO SCAM ME IDIOT
    IT DIDN'T WORK THOUGH

    [03:17]
    Kiwi:
    Wowowo calm down

    [03:17]
    red:
    HOW IM GOING TO CALM DOWN
    if ur not showing me ur paypal
    i showed u mine
    do the same
    unless u have something to fear

    [03:17]
    Kiwi:
    ur just gonna report me
    ur gonna ruin my reputation

    [03:17]
    red:
    nah
    I can already ruin it but i won't
    just show me it

    [03:18]
    Kiwi:
    Look man I'm not showing you it

    [03:18]
    red:
    why
    i won't report u
    if u atleast show me

    [03:19]
    Kiwi:
    why would I try to scam you like 2 weeks after ?
    explain please
    Im taking u less and less seriously

    [03:20]
    red:
    are u dumb

    [03:20]
    Kiwi:
    And why would I bring it up
    no I'm not dumb at akk
    all*
    u're trying something dodgey

    [03:20]
    red:
    If I had money in it u probably would had chargeback and just kept my unusual
    without me knowing until i checked paypal
    +
    u won't even show me ur paypal
    to see if u chargedback

    [03:20]
    Kiwi:
    yeah but for what reason would I do it now>?

    [03:21]
    red:
    u are hiding something
    heck if I know ur reasoning behind it
    all I know is that its a scam tactic or whatever
    cause im talking to my friends
    and a few people
    about it
    and u are worried about ur rep
    even though u won't show me ur paypal
    and saying "im scared"
    "i got hacked"
    bro i'm not stupid
    what kind of stupid ass excuse is that
    hello?
    why aren't u responding
    hellO?
    why are u ignoring me
    why is ur inventory private
    huh?
    it was normal a seocnd ago
    ur looking fishy here

    [03:28]
    Kiwi:
    U've ruined my rep
    deleting this account

    [03:29]
    red:
    f✿✿✿✿✿✿ p✿✿✿✿
    ur a scammer fam
    ill legit hunt ur ass down
    watch
    make a new account

    [03:30]
    Kiwi:
    Im not a scammer but alright

    [03:30]
    red:
    imma find that account regardless
    good luck trying to hide

    red has opened voice chat. Waiting on Kiwi to join.

    [03:31]
    Kiwi:
    what the f✿✿✿ do u want
    i haven't done s✿✿✿

    [03:31]
    red:
    talk me

    [03:31]
    Kiwi:
    got anything else to say?
    i haven't done s✿✿✿ brother

    [03:31]
    red:
    i want to hear ur voice

    The voice chat has ended.

    [03:31]
    red:
    talk to me on mic
    are u scared

    red has opened voice chat. Waiting on Kiwi to join.

    red has ended voice chat.

    [03:32]
    Kiwi:
    no
    idk why u think Im a scammer
    I haven't done anything

    [03:33]
    red:
    bro
    ur legit hiding
    ur making it worse for urself

    [03:33]
    Kiwi:
    hiding from what
    do u want ur hat back?
    Im willing to do a trade back if u want man
    I just dont wanna ruin my rep

    [03:35]
    red:
    okay

    [03:36]
    Kiwi:
    u send money firsyt

    [03:36]
    red:
    you'll give me my hat back?
    i don't want it

    [03:36]
    Kiwi:
    I will

    [03:36]
    red:
    though

    [03:36]
    Kiwi:
    wtf do u mean u dont want it

    [03:36]
    red:
    I don't got money to buy that s✿✿✿ back
    + i already have s✿✿✿
    i don't trust u anymore
    u brought this on urself

    [03:39]
    Kiwi:
    look man im sorry but it wasnt me so Im not sorry
    i got hacked

    [03:40]
    red:
    fix my paypal
    whatever u did
    to make it negative

    [03:40]
    Kiwi:
    I DIDNT DO ANYTHING

    [03:40]
    red:
    undo it

    [03:40]
    Kiwi:
    DUDE
    I GOT f✿✿✿✿✿✿ HACKED
    Idk how to do that man

    [03:40]
    red:
    by who???????

    [03:40]
    Kiwi:
    f✿✿✿ me just make another paypal

    [03:40]
    red:
    bruh hacking excuse
    stupid

    [03:40]
    Kiwi:
    Idk dude u know when u go on porn sites
    and u like click on dodgey links
    but hot s✿✿✿
    and then you get weird s✿✿✿ downloaded
    lmao

    [03:41]
    red:
    bro that is on u
    i doubt ur the typ
    type of person to get hacked

    [03:41]
    Kiwi:
    I'm actually pretty computer dumb
    I've been hacked before
    lost buds a few years agi
    I've been scammed like 3 times
    I know its still technically my fault if I get hacked
    you know what phishing links are?
    yeah well they install a key logger onto ur pc and wait for u to log into a an important site
    then while ur away
    they log in and take money
    they do it through paypal
    bank sites etv
    and u kno sometimes I click on those ads on pornhub lmfao

    [03:44]
    red:
    ahlie u like watching gay niggas f✿✿✿ each other

    [03:44]
    Kiwi:
    sorry that was too far

    [03:44]
    red:
    f✿✿✿✿✿ ass nigga

    [03:44]
    Kiwi:
    HAHAHAH
    no I dont bro
    Ur gay
    Lmao

    [03:46]
    red:
    LMAO

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    redw New User

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    sorry if this is all mixed up or what not , It's 4:30 am and I haven't slept so hopefully after I wake up and I should be able to clear things up if needed


    - red
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    Forgot add this.
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    @redw You need to provide FULL chat screenshots - what you gave is not acceptable..they are too cropped.
    Also any evidence you do provide must be uploaded to report not gyazo links.
    Please upload the chat again this time full screenshots so I can verify at least a date on them.
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    Ok i have a recording of it, ill just post it
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    I don't want a recording of it... we only accept screenshots.
    Videos are unacceptable
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    I figured a way to find the messages here is it.

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    Horse Administrator SteamRep Admin

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    Much better - these at least show a date on them and that was what I was after.
    Follow next set of instructions:
    Please provide a full screen shot of your Trade Inventory History (thru a computer not mobile) showing for sure the trade in question(NOT TRADE OFFER!!)- open this with a web browser, move your mouse over the users name in question so it shows up the hypertext popup URL at the bottom of the screen - take the screen shot DO NOT edit it in anyway and upload. Also need a screen shot of your Paypal ACTIVITY (not Summary) for several days beginning with the date before this trade.. full screen DO NOT edit this shot in anyway. Upload HERE…NOT imgur, NOT gyazo or any other 3rd party hosting site!

    Review this screenshot guide to help you:

    https://forums.steamrep.com/threads/screenshot-guide-requirements.157969/

    Also in the future just upload the images - don't click to embed them..that just floods the report.
    I adjusted those upper images so it wouldn't do that.
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    Here it is.. not cropped or anything

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    Horse Administrator SteamRep Admin

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    Take the paypal again..make sure its scrolled all the way up this time.
    Also need to see the transaction exposed about the chargeback where it states that.
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    There is no way I can tell if that was referred back to that transaction or not with what you provided.
    None of the ID's match up not sure if they should but you get the idea.
    Your going to have to dig deeper and show proof that the chargeback there was in fact from that payment you showed from that user.
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    It literally the same payment as the unusual and if you look into the chatlogs he basically admit to it, seriously I don't know what more proof do you need honestly It's literally the exact payment and chargeback. He just probably called up paypal to refund it for him or something cause it was under family and friends so he can manually do a chargeback thus paypal did it for him.

    Do you want me to literally call up paypal and dig deeper?
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    I get you say its the same payment but you don't understand my situation here. I need PROOF.
    I need to make sure that the charge back was exactly from this user and not a payment done for $125 months ago because it can still happen.
    Understand? I'm not saying I don't agree with you but we must have proof to process a report.
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    bruh I gotta contact paypal on phone now
    thank you
    X)
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    couldn't contact them on phone but i sent them a message so they should hopefully review it later
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