Scam Report Report Type: [Money] PayPal scam or scam attempt Virtual item type involved: [CSGO] Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Items Accused profile: 76561198132882704 Victim profile: 76561198141783851 What happened? Description: Added the accused to ask about a selling price for my Karambit Marble Fade as well as price of arcanas. We agreed on a price of $525 USD PayPal afer some negotiations. Accused never actually sent the PayPal money to my account. Instead they sent me fake screenshots of the transaction claiming that they sent the money but it was pending transaction. I have heard of something like this happening with accounts that did not have enough authentication on them which when I looked at my account apparently I had not submitted enough identification to PayPal. I then submitted more information and gave it a few days for PayPal to process. A week has gone by with little word from the accused and no money in my account. After checking the accused's cash rep thread as of today he has since scammed other victims and has been banned from the steam group. Provide Evidence: View attachment 748883 View attachment 748883 View attachment 748884 View attachment 748883 View attachment 748884 View attachment 748885 View attachment 748886 View attachment 748887 View attachment 748888 View attachment 748889 View attachment 748890 View attachment 748891 View attachment 748892 View attachment 748893 View attachment 748894 Link to his now banned cashrep thread: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/CSGOREPorts/discussions/5/1629665087669994360/ [3/14/2020, 10:01 PM] Salsa cs.money: Hey How can I help you? [3/14/2020, 10:02 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Hey on mobile atm going to be at PC in like 10-15 mins I’ll talk then [3/14/2020, 10:03 PM] Salsa cs.money: Alright, take your time [3/14/2020, 10:31 PM] VivaceWarrior5: ok bit longer than expected but at my PC Wanted to see what your prices are for standard/normal Jugg arcs Also wanted to see what your price would be on my Karambit Marble Fade if you buy knives directly as well as liquids [3/14/2020, 11:00 PM] Salsa cs.money: Sorry, had to go afk for a while myself. About the Kara Fade, what do you think about 550$? About pure I already have a bunch of sellers where I can buy on-demand only when I need them for a trade which I prefer than just having them sit in my inv until I need them [3/14/2020, 11:05 PM] Salsa cs.money: Or my bad I think i messed something up calculating price one sec Sorry about that I meant 520 [3/14/2020, 11:12 PM] VivaceWarrior5: I was gonna say I think you did Kara Fade prices not Marble fade How much do you pay for Jugg arcs if I was gonna sell those to you? Oh wait just read the second part again you only want to buy them on demand You said you can do bank transfer right? How exactly does that work? Never done much with cashing out tbh sorry [3/14/2020, 11:18 PM] Salsa cs.money: No problem.. it really depends on your country [3/14/2020, 11:18 PM] VivaceWarrior5: USA [3/14/2020, 11:19 PM] Salsa cs.money: Oh okay... did bank transfer to the US a couple of times. Most common banks can accept transfers from abroad and only need prior enabling to send transfers abroad. Though I can only send money in Euro, unless you can cover the 3-5% currency conversion fee Also, it is not instant, to US if I remember right it may take like 2-7 days. usually 3-4 [3/14/2020, 11:21 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Ah ok Was trying to avoid paypal if possible from someone directly And sites don't offer it [3/14/2020, 11:24 PM] Salsa cs.money: If youre worrying about chargebacks, it's not really possible to unless it is sent as goods and service or f&f but paid from a credit card (not from paypal balance directly basically). And doing a chargeback from a credit card would result in the paypal account being banned obviously. not that I would attempt to chargeback anyway but yeah about bank, this is the stuff needed to wire money to US: https://i.imgur.com/ewwzoYA.png just to give you an idea [3/14/2020, 11:27 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Yeah thats a good bit of info and I can't say I know all of it tbh which is kinda sad I guess paypal it is in the end [3/14/2020, 11:27 PM] Salsa cs.money: its just your info + your banks info basically, I think thats easily googled the main problem about bank is that its not instant [3/14/2020, 11:28 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Yeah [3/14/2020, 11:28 PM] Salsa cs.money: everything at the top though you should be able to see in your online banking [3/14/2020, 11:28 PM] VivaceWarrior5: I'll run a couple numbers and let you know in a bit [3/14/2020, 11:28 PM] Salsa cs.money: Alright [3/14/2020, 11:29 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Are there any fees with Paypal that isn't f&f? Cause I assume im covering that [3/14/2020, 11:30 PM] Salsa cs.money: Yeah I can't cover transaction fee unfortunately. Wait you mean fee on g&s payments? [3/14/2020, 11:30 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Yes and yes [3/14/2020, 11:30 PM] Salsa cs.money: definitely yeah 3% I believe But you can give me your Email and I can check and tell you exactly [3/14/2020, 11:31 PM] VivaceWarrior5: [email protected] [3/14/2020, 11:33 PM] Salsa cs.money: On g&s the fee automatically goes on the recipient and it doesn't even show me. On F&F its about 4$ not too bad I think https://i.imgur.com/xMho2NL.png I would just deduct that from the payment [3/14/2020, 11:37 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Could you do $540? Also what currency are you sending it in Euro? [3/14/2020, 11:43 PM] Salsa cs.money: No if Paypal Im sending in $ since I have enough $ balance. Hm idk if I can go any higher tbh, need to think [3/14/2020, 11:44 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Ah ok cool figured there would be currency conversion. Take your time. Asking cause I had an offer yesterday of 30 TB arcs (B/O has been 32) which would be $540 at $18 ea [3/14/2020, 11:46 PM] Salsa cs.money: Ah okay, Im not even sure if 18$ isnt a too high price for them, Im starting to think so since Im recently buying for less. Oh I think I forgot to update my reddit threads Would you do 520? with fee already counted in [3/14/2020, 11:47 PM] VivaceWarrior5: $530? [3/14/2020, 11:48 PM] Salsa cs.money: 525 and deal [3/14/2020, 11:49 PM] VivaceWarrior5: I guess [3/14/2020, 11:49 PM] Salsa cs.money: Great Do you have any cash rep? [3/14/2020, 11:50 PM] VivaceWarrior5: VivaceWarrior5's Cash Rep 76561198141783851 :: CS:GO REP! > > > > > > > > > > > > > CLICK HERE to make REP THREAD < < < < < < < < < < < < < < (Following this link is the correct way to make a valid REP THREAD. Any other method WILL result in the rep thread not working properly and then deletion. Follow the link abov https://steamcommunity.com/groups/CSGOREPorts/discussions/5/1733213724890449375/ Had to find it [3/14/2020, 11:51 PM] Salsa cs.money: heres mine https://steamcommunity.com/groups/CSGOREPorts/discussions/5/1629665087669994360/ would you be okay with going first? [3/14/2020, 11:51 PM] VivaceWarrior5: I mean I don't like it but I know I have to unfortunately [3/14/2020, 11:52 PM] Salsa cs.money: Thats natural I think, no one really likes going first Alright then I'd be ready to do it in like 5 min just need to finish something [3/14/2020, 11:53 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Yeah same I'll let you know before I send it [3/14/2020, 11:59 PM] Salsa cs.money: Okay Im ready, let me know whenever you are Sunday, March 15, 2020 [3/15/2020, 12:03 AM] VivaceWarrior5: ok about to send [3/15/2020, 12:03 AM] Salsa cs.money: okay, getting ready to aswell [3/15/2020, 12:06 AM] VivaceWarrior5: You sent Salsa cs.money a new trade offerView trade offer GG skins I guess Send money using PayPal.me. Visit a PayPal.Me page link and type in the amount. Since it's PayPal, it's easy and secure. Don't have a PayPal account? No worries. http://paypal.me/vivacew5 if you need that [3/15/2020, 12:07 AM] Salsa cs.money: GG? Could you send without the grafitti I don't have access to my auth phone till tomorow I already have the send via email window open so [email protected] right? [3/15/2020, 12:08 AM] VivaceWarrior5: yeah or the http://paypal.me thing You sent Salsa cs.money a new trade offerView trade offer [3/15/2020, 12:10 AM] Salsa cs.money: accepted one moment [3/15/2020, 12:11 AM] VivaceWarrior5: ok there blank offer with all of my trading career lol [3/15/2020, 12:11 AM] Salsa cs.money: haha dont worry [3/15/2020, 12:11 AM] VivaceWarrior5: I don't know if that is possible tbh [3/15/2020, 12:12 AM] Salsa cs.money: understandable sent https://i.imgur.com/EoOC6li.png please confirm [3/15/2020, 12:13 AM] VivaceWarrior5: um Im not seeing it in activity [3/15/2020, 12:13 AM] Salsa cs.money: did you refresh the page? [3/15/2020, 12:14 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Like 1000 times [3/15/2020, 12:14 AM] Salsa cs.money: Oh [3/15/2020, 12:14 AM] VivaceWarrior5: been doing it cause anxiety [3/15/2020, 12:14 AM] Salsa cs.money: then idk might take a minute or so to appear sometimes [3/15/2020, 12:15 AM] VivaceWarrior5: still nothing [3/15/2020, 12:16 AM] Salsa cs.money: Hm okay its been 1 minute, maybe a few minutes? Not longer than a few though [3/15/2020, 12:18 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Still nothing [3/15/2020, 12:19 AM] Salsa cs.money: Unusual [3/15/2020, 12:19 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Yeah [3/15/2020, 12:19 AM] Salsa cs.money: Let me check my acc again it logged me out after payment [3/15/2020, 12:20 AM] VivaceWarrior5: always instant [3/15/2020, 12:23 AM] Salsa cs.money: Okay so it says its pending.... https://i.imgur.com/T4qmSB0.png I believe you should still see it as pending on your side aswell [3/15/2020, 12:23 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Does it give a reason for pending? [3/15/2020, 12:24 AM] Salsa cs.money: No reason in sight anywhere. Like paypal ever gives a reason for anything lol [3/15/2020, 12:25 AM] VivaceWarrior5: What a time for it to go to pending I might add not helping me atm I'm not seeing anything under my email as it usually sends me one saying you have money or something and not seeing anything in activity feed or wallet anywhere [3/15/2020, 12:26 AM] Salsa cs.money: Stuff usually goes pending when paypals systems dont like something about it, its out of our control really... Yeah it does, it also usually shows pending payments in recipients account So it says online that pending payments can take anywhere from 10 minutes up to 21 days but usually up to a week :// Idk if it doesnt go pending soon I can try calling Paypal support and start a call so you can listen, it'll be in english so yeah [3/15/2020, 12:28 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Oh well rip my blood pressure then lol [3/15/2020, 12:30 AM] Salsa cs.money: Well its not like the money is lost, The best that can happen is you'll get it really soon, the worst that can happen is I'll get it back really late :// [3/15/2020, 12:31 AM] VivaceWarrior5: I know and I'm not trying to say you aren't legit just nervous with it cause I don't technically have either atm [3/15/2020, 12:32 AM] Salsa cs.money: Yeah I understand, well I've shown you that it was sent and that it's pending. As I said, if nothing changes soon I will call Paypal and if you want start a call so you can listen in the backround Ive never had something like this before myself [3/15/2020, 12:33 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Same [3/15/2020, 12:34 AM] Salsa cs.money: It is 6:30 AM here and I gtg soon, I would call them today evening if nothing changes, is that okay? [3/15/2020, 12:34 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Yeah [3/15/2020, 12:35 AM] Salsa cs.money: Thanks. I'm not gonna list/offer the kara anywhere until this is resolved and you have your money. [3/15/2020, 12:36 AM] VivaceWarrior5: I appreciate it sorry I'm kinda freaked out with it [3/15/2020, 12:37 AM] Salsa cs.money: No problem, totally understandable. But yeah nothing I have control over sadly if paypal decides to be a b✿✿✿✿ :/ and the thing also is theres absolutely nothing wrong with my account either, its verified since 2009 and never had negative balance or chargebacks against it Alright I gtg, talk to you later [3/15/2020, 12:38 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Same I used it like a couple weeks ago I'll let you know if I get it during the night I'll be up a while still [3/15/2020, 12:59 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Hey anything change on your end yet? Still not seeing anything with mine https://i.imgur.com/MqA0yjp.png [3/15/2020, 1:01 PM] Salsa cs.money: hey, I'm still at work, a friend is playing on this account. Will be home soon and will check and let you know first thing. If nothing changed on my end I'll call Paypal. [3/15/2020, 1:01 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Sounds good Monday, March 16, 2020 [3/16/2020, 12:33 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Hey haven't heard from you still not trying to bug you a bunch just kinda concerned about my money [3/16/2020, 4:00 AM] Salsa cs.money: Hi, really sorry I didnt message you yesterday had something very important and urgent come up moments after I was done talking to support. Had to wait like 20 minutes to get a representative on the line in the first place, seems they are understaffed because of the Coronavirus aswell. They were pretty useless tbh, I asked why it got pending in the first place they said because their automated system flagged it, why that happened they couldnt tell. Also asked how long it would take, they couldnt tell me exactly aswell, just said to call again if nothing changes after 5 business days Also asked if they can approve it or atleast cancel it so that I can resend, but nope they couldnt do that either....... [3/16/2020, 4:19 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Welp sounds like PayPal. Guess we get to give it 5 days or so [3/16/2020, 4:21 AM] Salsa cs.money: lol random guy just added me out of nowhere trying to buy the tradelocked kara didnt advertise it anywhere [3/16/2020, 4:22 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Lol [3/16/2020, 4:22 AM] Salsa cs.money: but yeah its not tradable for like a week anyway so I hope its fine if I work out a price with him already. I wont sell until you have the money unless you are against it, then I'll tell him Im not selling it, as you want [3/16/2020, 4:28 AM] VivaceWarrior5: I would rather you not sell it until I fully get my money just for my own sanity with it [3/16/2020, 4:28 AM] Salsa cs.money: Alright, i'll tell him its not for sale [3/16/2020, 4:29 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Thanks Thursday, March 19, 2020 [Thursday 4:16 AM] Salsa cs.money: Hi, is there any update on your side? On my there isnt Hoping that it finally showed up on your side as pending atleast [Thursday 9:44 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Nothing new on my end for PayPal. Tried having a friend send me a dollar as F&F to see if it would accept that and it did. Was able to send it back to them as well. Also went in and did some more verification of my PayPal as well. Had to do it to accept the money to my PayPal wallet. Ha dto submit ID, SS number, etc. Was hoping that would help them verify everything with the transaction. https://i.imgur.com/Py7hemK.png Saturday, March 21, 2020 [Saturday 6:12 AM] Salsa cs.money: Hey, sorry I already replied to you from phone yesterday but it didn't seem to have sent it. Let me know if it still hasn't showed up, I'll call paypal again I think it's been 5 days already aswell or? since I last called [Saturday 12:31 PM] VivaceWarrior5: Yeah I think it has but I doubt they are gonna do anything on the weekend with it. You can try though Sunday, March 22, 2020 [Sunday 5:50 AM] Salsa cs.money: Yup youre right I guess... tmrow monday morning then Tuesday, March 24, 2020 [12:47 AM] VivaceWarrior5: Hey forgot to check in with you today I know its late on that side of the world. Did you get a chance to contact paypal again or did anything change with the pending payment? Wednesday, March 25, 2020 [12:04 AM] VivaceWarrior5: I see you don't have the Karambit in your inventory anymore. I still don't have anything in my PayPal. I know there is a good bit going on in the world right now with corona just getting kinda nervous that I won't be seeing that money.