Invalid Report: 76561198352957086 - ([Steam] Steam Games)

Scam Report

Report Type: [Other] Any other fraudulent behavior
Virtual item type involved: [Steam] Steam Games

Accused profile: 76561198352957086

Victim profile: 76561198269493329

What happened? Description:

On April 23rd, he wanted to obtain a gift (Impact Winter) from my inventory. After our discussion, we agreed that he would purchase a game within 425 TWD and exchange it for the gift with me. However, after I sent him the gift, he said he couldn't send the game to me because our Steam regions were different (which should have been something he knew beforehand). He then offered to purchase a ROW CD Key for me, but because of the price difference, I had to give him another gift from my inventory (Blightbound). So I sent him the Blightbound gift, but when he sent me the CD Key, it still couldn't be used due to the different region issue. Without discussing with me, he sent me 6 TF2 keys as a compensation. Although I accepted the TF2 keys, I didn't want to exchange two gifts for them, so I sent them back to him and asked him to cancel the trade and return the gifts to me. However, he only returned the Blightbound gift and told me that he had already exchanged the Impact Winter gift with someone else and it had been redeemed into their game library. After that, he frequently ignored my messages and pretended to be offline (whenever I sent him a message while he was online, his status would change to offline), he even disabled the comment function on his profile page and threatened to block me.​

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[2023/4/27 上午2:20]
釩釩:
I means, You said Impact Winter is 425
and
I choose the game cost 379
so 425-379=46
but
This is calculated in TWD.
And
6 TF2 keys, after deducting transaction fees, may not even be worth 379 TWD.
And
I don't want to trade two games for six keys.

[2023/4/27 上午2:24]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Ah my friend I'm seriously confused

[2023/4/27 上午2:24]
釩釩:
I don't even want to trade Impact Winter for any keys.

[2023/4/27 上午2:24]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
I will try and reach contact with my friend to see if he has redeemed or not and see if I can get back for you
But failing this, what would you have me do?

[2023/4/27 上午2:26]
釩釩:
During our trading, I asked other friends and they told me that the price of this gift should be greater than 425.
But I currently don't have any ideas.

[2023/4/27 上午2:27]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Well I have been very open about my information
I'm curious who your friends are that said this
Because certainly, 425 is around 5x overpay over a global key price. For a region locked game. I think this is more than appropriate....
And I have been nothing but transparent

[2023/4/27 上午2:29]
釩釩:
Putting that aside for now, may I please ask you to return Blightbound to me first?
:winter2019sadsnowman:

[2023/4/27 上午2:30]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ 向您傳送了新的交易提案檢視交易提案
No problem!

[2023/4/27 上午2:31]
釩釩:
Thank you T.T
I am very afraid that once you leave, I won't be able to find you the next day.

[2023/4/27 上午2:32]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Ehm I reply almost immediately ^_^

[2023/4/27 上午2:33]
釩釩:
Can you please tell me to whom did you give the Impact Winter?

[2023/4/27 上午2:33]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
oooh not sure if I can share the name >_> not my place

[2023/4/27 上午2:34]
釩釩:
why?

[2023/4/27 上午2:35]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Well I do not want to bring harassment. Some people prefer to be private individuals. I will ask if they are open to share. But without asking, certainly I don't want to bring undue disrespect

[2023/4/27 上午2:36]
釩釩:
Oh, I will not bother him/her.

[2023/4/27 上午2:36]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
I hope you can understand

[2023/4/27 上午2:37]
釩釩:
I just want to make sure there is really such a person, and you are not deliberately deceiving me.
I'm sorry if my words sound harsh, but I've been scammed too many times and I didn't mean any harm.

[2023/4/27 上午2:38]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Well I think if I was genuine scamming you I would have not sent you any keys.....
I would have blocked you by now
Right?
So that's clearly not my intention
And if I was genuine scamming you, I would not have sent back Blighthound
obviously
My goal here is to do right by you

[2023/4/27 上午2:39]
釩釩:
If you say he can redeem the gift, does that mean he's from Taiwan or Hong Kong?
Can you help me check if Impact Winter is already in his game library?

[2023/4/27 上午2:41]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
But obviously there has been some miscommunication error since you no longer want Against the Storm. Which I mean sure. But it is not for me to decide. I provided those keys as payment for you, of equivalent exchange, considering the fact. And you can spend them on any item/game you desire.But now there is some disagreement about the amount? Which I thought was sufficient given that it covers the price of the game and then some. So I'm not sure but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes from HK
One second
I can only see the number of games. But there's no option for Games above Inventory. I think this means its private
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....730/5ADC3F5335F994BE145A09A4572CBE2F5D609D42/

[2023/4/27 上午2:45]
釩釩:
I know you're willing to do an equivalent exchange with keys, but after deducting fees, 6 keys might not be worth as much as Against the Storm.
I was willing to trade with you under the condition that you said you could give it to me as a gift.
I means, buy it for me directly.
In summary, due to too many factors involved, I now prefer not to proceed with the transaction.

[2023/4/27 上午2:48]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
I definitely think that 6 keys is more than Against the Storm. I have calculated the fees myself

[2023/4/27 上午2:49]
釩釩:
I will receive a -15% price reduction if I sell the keys, right?

[2023/4/27 上午2:49]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
I still don't understand the difference between you being able to purchase the game yourself. And me gifting the game to you? I think its beneficial for you since you are able to get steam points XD
I don't think its exactly -15%. When I get to the menu to sell the keys I get this
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....249/00668EF493471A9026CC3AA697A75B1D80A335F7/

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....272/DCDD38A06ED6054053AFE9CBE3CC9420A736C51C/

And further hmm I sent these keys yesterday. And price has fallen since then

[2023/4/27 上午2:52]
釩釩:
The approximate percentage is around 15%.

[2023/4/27 上午2:53]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Well no. I gave you the exact percentage for my currency above.

[2023/4/27 上午2:54]
釩釩:
Let's consider the fee as 13% then.
If one key is priced at 70TWD, after deducting 13%, it will be around 60.9
6 keys = 365.4
But game is 379
It's now 3 am in my time zone, and I should go to bed. I hope we can talk again tomorrow.

[2023/4/27 上午2:57]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Well that is not exactly true
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....027/7B7E847C038150E3D5F23B2FAB12D7B88C459CA3/

The price as I state above
And even yesterday (when the offer was made). It was 48 TLR
Which would be 76 NTD

[2023/4/27 上午3:00]
釩釩:
I don't know what happened, because after I received your keys yesterday, I went to the store to check, but the price is not really that high.
I exchanged two games for six keys yesterday, and that was the situation.

[2023/4/27 上午3:01]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Well the information is to the public. I have no reason to lie

[2023/4/27 上午3:03]
釩釩:
I believe you won't lie, but I really want to cancel the transaction now, and I'm very sorry for any inconvenience caused to you.
I'm sorry that you had to spend so much time looking for a trade that didn't end up being successful.
I hope you can understand and I hope to hear good news soon.
I really have to go to bed now, hope to talk to you tomorrow.
Goodnight
:lunar2019piginablanket:

[2023/4/27 下午10:35]
釩釩:
Hi, did he reply you?:lunar2019coolpig:

2023年4月28日 星期五

[2023/4/28 上午12:14]
釩釩:
If you see my message, please reply me, thank you.:steamthumbsup:

[2023/4/28 上午12:19]
釩釩:
Hi, did he reply you?

[2023/4/28 上午2:51]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Hi! Unfortunately not :steamsad:
Will let you know as soon as they do

2023年4月29日 星期六

[2023/4/29 上午12:51]
釩釩:
Hi, did he reply you?
Thanks for your hlep.

[2023/4/29 下午9:40]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Hi yes! Respond to me this morning. Unfortunately he already redeemed :steamfacepalm:
What would you want me to do?

[2023/4/29 下午10:30]
釩釩:
Can you give your friend TF2 Keys and ask them to use Paypal to send me the money?

[2023/4/29 下午10:33]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
ok I ask!

2023年5月1日 星期一

[2023/5/1 下午5:29]
釩釩:
Hi
If he steill didn't reply your message
Could you please give me 7 TF2 Key?
I don't want to keep wasting time waiting for a response, and I don't want to keep worrying about this.
The lowest price I can accept is 7 TF2 Keys, and I even feel like it should be more than that, although I know you don't think so. Still, I have to ask for your help, thank you.
I deeply regret making this trade and I'm very sorry. Please forgive me.
您向 (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ 傳送了新的交易提案檢視交易提案

2023年5月2日 星期二

[星期二 上午12:20]
釩釩:
If you see my message, please reply me, thank you.:steamthumbsup:

[星期二 下午10:30]
釩釩:
I've been looking for you for a long time, and you haven't replied to my messages. Please reply to my message as soon as you see it. Thank you.

[星期二 下午11:05]
釩釩:
您向 (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ 傳送了新的交易提案檢視交易提案
Please actively address our trading issues and don't waste our time between us.
I would appreciate it if you could reply to my messages even when I am offline.

2023年5月3日 星期三

[星期三 上午12:10]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Hello! Sorry I am not always available please I require a little bit of patience from you.....
Hmm I think its a bit too much 7 TF2.... I really don't think so
Especially since its only for the 1 game?
Its too much
I think the most I can do is 5 TF2 if its just the one game
And yes i ask, still no response. Sorry

[星期三 下午8:51]
釩釩:
I feel like all of this is so unfair to me. I didn't agree to trade 6 TF2 Keys for two game gifts, but you went ahead and traded my gifts for ROW gifts with someone else before our trade was completed.
And now I hope that you will return the gift to me, but it seems that you are unwilling to handle it actively and are forcing me to accept the price you think is reasonable. However, I don't think my gift is only worth 5 TF2 Keys.

[星期三 下午8:58]
釩釩:
My time zone is the same as the person from Hong Kong, and we can communicate fluently in Chinese without the need for translation software. Why are you still unwilling to provide me with his contact information?
I don't care about how much profit you make by taking advantage of the price difference to get the gift you want cheaper. I only care about when I can get an equivalent item or money in return.

[星期三 下午9:04]
釩釩:
Going back to the point, you mentioned that my gift was worth around 425 TWD, and the value of 1 TF2 Key after deducting the transaction fee is about 60 TWD, so I believe that 7 TF2 Keys from you is very reasonable.
And in fact, I have checked the value of Blightbound's ROW gift, which is about 10 TF2 Keys, and I don't believe that a Region Lock gift would only be worth one-tenth of its value.

[星期三 下午9:10]
釩釩:
If you still insist on not giving me 7 TF2 Keys and believe that you suffered a great loss, please provide me with the contact information of the person from Hong Kong that you traded with. I want to quickly resolve this matter and do not want to waste any more time waiting for your response.
And I want to emphasize again that I won't keep bothering that person from Hong Kong, I will only discuss with him the appropriate way to deal with the current problem.

[星期三 下午9:19]
釩釩:
Please reply to me as soon as you see this message, thank you.

[星期三 下午9:57]
釩釩:
您向 (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ 傳送了新的交易提案檢視交易提案

[星期三 下午11:29]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
First off I have to say this
I need you to stop spamming me with messages.
Spamming my comments section with messages
It will not help you get a faster reply
I will reply as soon as I can - as I always have done
If you do this again, I will remove you from my friends list and block you
I have attempted to resolve this with you diplomatically
And it is clear you are intent on railroading your wishes
When I have been extremely transparent and I believe I have acted in good faith throughout
So stop this
"I feel like all of this is so unfair to me. I didn't agree to trade 6 TF2 Keys for two game gifts, but you went ahead and traded my gifts for ROW gifts with someone else before our trade was completed."No this is disingenuous to say. We agreed to the exchange of two game gifts for the game "Against the Storm". As you yourself noted, you would be able to buy yourself the copy of the game Against the Storm using the 6 TF2 and even have some money left over. I sent the keys over and you could have bought the game yourself any time you chose to. Therefore the trade was completed.
"forcing me to accept the price you think is reasonable"As compared to you forcing me to accept and increase and change the price to what you think is reasonable, after completing the trade?
Your gift is worth the copy of the game which we agreed to. That is that
I'm not making or taking profit, my intention is always to collect gifts
And even then, in good faith, I send back 1/2 gifts
And now you want an extra key for half the gifts?
That is (in my opinion) unfair
And I don't need to change the trade to suit your opinion
"And in fact, I have checked the value of Blightbound's ROW gift, which is about 10 TF2 Keys, and I don't believe that a Region Lock gift would only be worth one-tenth of its value."No. You don't know that, and I can assure you, as someone who is actually involved in the gift trading scene. A ROW blighthound is most certainly not worth 10 TF2 keys. That is laughable. Many factors change and evolve a gift price, one of which is the fact that it was sold as multipacks. It is essentially the same worth as a key. Which is 2 TF2 for ROW. So what is a region locked worth?
Second. I have already asked them. And they confirmed that the gift is already redeemed sorry.

[星期三 下午11:50]
釩釩:
Initially, I was willing to trade two gifts for "Against the Storm" because you promised to give me a "Against the Storm ROW Key", not 6 TF2 Keys for me to buy "Against the Storm Asia Key" myself. Therefore, I think your argument is very unreasonable. Of course, I know that both ROW Key and Asia Key are the same game, but what we agreed upon was a ROW Key.

[星期三 下午11:51]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
We agreed upon the game. That's it. I provided you the means to purchase the game yourself (not an Asia Key, from the steam store... these are two different)

[星期三 下午11:54]
釩釩:
The sentence in English would be: "The game that I purchase myself from the Steam store would not be a ROW Key, just like you cannot gift me because your region is not in ROW.
The game itself may be the same, but what matters to me is not the game, but whether the key itself is ROW.
I really don't intend to cheat you or ask for more from you, I just want to receive something of equal value.
:steamsad:

[星期三 下午11:56]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
You needed a ROW key to redeem the game on your account. I've given you the means to buy the game on your OWN acount.

[星期三 下午11:57]
釩釩:
I am unable to purchase the ROW version of the game on Steam myself.

[星期三 下午11:57]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Even after acquiescing the Blighthound gift and giving it back to you I'm offering you EQUAL value.But you decline. You want more, you want to change the terms of the arrangement.You argue you want to receive something of equal value? Then forget I even mention this 425. Because don't forget. This is MY PRICE.I'll just give you how much the key is worth. Which is 2 TF2.
No you absolutely could. You absolutely could buy the game yourself. When you buy it from the store, you receive a STORE sub. You receive ALL languages. There is no different version of the game on steam. It is only ONE game. Stop lying

[星期三 下午11:59]
釩釩:
You said that there is only one version of the game on Steam, then why were you unable to use the Steam store to gift me the game back then?

2023年5月4日 星期四

[星期四 上午12:01]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/ewBq8/steam-10-price-difference-policy

[星期四 上午12:01]
釩釩:
I agreed to the trade at the time because you said you were willing to exchange gifts with me at a value of 425. If you had told me at the time that my gift was only worth 2 TF2 Keys, I would not have agreed to the trade.
:steamsad:

[星期四 上午12:01]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
There is no different version of the game. Don't lecture me on such stupidities
I honoured the agreement by providing you EXACTLY what we agreed upon. You say that I didn't give you a ROW key (and you believed that there are different versions of the same game on steam - this is just ignorance on your part).You spit in my face, spam my inbox, blow me up with messages. And waste my time. I acquiesce, I give back one of the gifts. I want to make this right for you.You continue to spit in my face, and railroad your argument, and spam me all day.So what am I to do, I have no cheek to turn.
So I will spit in yours, or just leave this silly charade behind and block you.

[星期四 上午12:04]
釩釩:
I think there was a misunderstanding between us regarding our intentions towards each other. T_T
I'm sorry for wasting your time, I didn't mean to argue with you.

[星期四 上午12:05]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
No. You just don't understand. Its simple
Its not even a language issue
Trust me
Its just you don't understand how steam works
And even you try to lecture me on the value of gifts which I have learned the market for in the past 3 years.
So please its childish

[星期四 上午12:07]
釩釩:
How should we proceed now? Should I continue to wait for you to contact your friend, or would you rather give me the TF2 keys directly?

[星期四 上午12:17]
釩釩:
您向 (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ 傳送了新的交易提案檢視交易提案
I don't want to argue anymore, maybe it really was my fault. So, just like before, give me the 6 keys and I'll give you the other game.
I will send it to you after you agree, because last time it required separate delivery and cannot be put in the trade window together.
I'm sorry for bothering you during this time, thank you for your hard work.

[星期四 上午12:38]
釩釩:
If you have dealt with it, please remind me. Thank you again.:winter2019happyyul:

[星期四 上午8:01]
釩釩:
If you see the message, please accept the trade offer, and remind me if you have dealt with it, thank you:steamthumbsup:

[星期四 下午8:55]
釩釩:
Hi:cozycrashfish: if you see the message, please reply me, thank you:2018spacefox:

2023年5月5日 星期五

[星期五 上午12:21]
釩釩:
Hi, if you see the message, please reply me, thank you:sharpei:

[星期五 上午12:29]
釩釩:
Hi friend, are you online? I'm sorry for questioning you yesterday. Can you give me 6 TF2 Keys and I'll send you the other gift?
The way we discussed before would be fine, sorry to bother you.

[星期五 下午9:31]
釩釩:
Hi, are you there?:steamhappy:
If you have seen my message, please reply to me. I hope you are not intentionally hiding your online status. I will wait until you have time.:cozycrashfish:

2023年5月6日 星期六

[昨天 上午12:26]
釩釩:
Hi, are you there?
Would you be willing to talk to me?:winter2019happyyul:

[昨天 上午12:48]
釩釩:
Hi, you contacted me for a trade, and we agreed to exchange my rare item for something worth 425 TWD from you. However, after I gave you my item, you didn't give me anything in return. So I've sent you a trade request asking for 6 TF2 Keys.
I would appreciate it if you could agree to this transaction, and I promise not to bother you again in the future.
:cozycrashfish:

[昨天 上午12:55]
釩釩:
I know you don't like me leaving messages in your message board all the time, but I noticed that you often change your online status to offline when I send you messages, and I hope that you are not deliberately avoiding the issue.
I know you're not a scammer. I hope we can resolve this peacefully.

[星期六 上午1:09]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
Hello. I warned you to STOP messaging me. I gave you your final warning few days ago to not comment or harass me, or my comments section. And if you were to cross this line, I would remove you and block you. End of discussion
The reason for this, is in case of emergency, the comments section goes directly to alert my phone.

[昨天 上午1:10]
釩釩:
The reason for this, is in case of emergency, the comments section goes directly to alert my phone.

[星期六 上午1:10]
(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ:
This silly situation. Is not an emergency
I am willing to give you one last chance. Do not message me. Do not bother me. I will deal with this situation tonight or later tomorrow.

[昨天 上午1:10]
釩釩:
may I ask if you are willing to agree to the trade now?

2023年5月7日 星期日

[下午11:09]
釩釩:
Hi, you said that this matter would be resolved today, so I'm online waiting for your reply. I hope we can successfully resolve it today.
:cozycrashfish:
If you see this message, please reply to me immediately. This matter has been delayed since April 23rd, and it is very urgent for me.
I'll take a shower and wait for your reply. If you still haven't replied by the time I'm done, I'll have to leave a message on your profile because you said you would help me solve the problem today. Thank you.
Additionally, I'm sorry due to the time zone difference, it's currently 11 PM here, and I prefer not to deal with this matter until 1 or 2 AM in the morning. Please understand.

[下午11:43]
釩釩:
Hello, I have finished taking a shower. I hope you are also back in front of your computer now.
Hi there, you mentioned that you would assist me in resolving the trading issue between us by today at the latest. Due to the time zone difference, it's already midnight here, and this matter is very urgent for me. Could you please respond to my message? Thank you.
Hi, you've disabled the message function on your profile, which makes it clear that you've seen my messages.
But you chose not to reply and dealt with it passively, which constitutes fraud.
Therefore, I want to remind you that I have already taken screenshots of our entire conversation, including anything related to our transaction.
If you are not willing to hand over the item to me, I have already prepared to post and report your fraudulent behavior on the Steam trading discussion forum.
I want to emphasize again that this matter may not be important to you, but it is very urgent for me.