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Declined Report: 76561198423686552 - ([TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items)

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  1. Earthquake Hobo

    Earthquake Hobo New User

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    Scam Report

    Report Type: [Rep Fraud] Impersonation with intent to defraud
    Virtual item type involved: [TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items

    Accused profile: 76561198423686552

    Victim profile: 76561198056793444

    What happened? Description:
    After I sent an invite to the actual trader Arcan (as listed in Victim Info), the impersonator sent me an invite asking to buy the keys I was going to sell to Arcan.
    He had his Steam name and avatar changed to match Arcans exactly, and had this in his profile description -
    "This is my DISCUSSION ACCOUNT, I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY FRIEND REQUEST. IF YOU WANT TO TALK COMMENT ON MY MAIN FIRST SO I CAN ADD YOU ASAP." He's now changed his username and profile pic.​

    Provide Evidence:
    Alright this is the 3rd attempt submitting this report, the attachment seems to be having problems so I'll be uploading to imgur for now. It keeps redirecting me to an info page when I've done an attachment.

    I've attached how his profile looked when he sent me the invite, impersonating Arcan. Then just the chat. He may have covered at the end saying the keys will be sent to his main account, the Victim one, when I said he was probably a scammer. Regardless I've asked the main whether this was actually his discussion account or not and will soon get an answer. I'll post it here.

    This is the post where I found him.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2trade/comments/ch36yu/hpaypal_wkeys_175usd_each/

    Oh yeah, one more thing. His customURL is a fake one made to look like a real ID64.
    | steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198423686552
    | customURL: https://steamcommunity.com/id/76561196275243

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  2. Earthquake Hobo

    Earthquake Hobo New User

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    This report has been uploaded 4 times because of a bug - it kept redirecting me to the safe trading page after uploading either 1 or 2 images. When I checked back on either mine or the scammers steamrep the report wasn't there.
    They should all be the same copy pasted, please use this one though and disregard the rest as this one actually has all 4 screenshots.
  3. Horse

    Horse Administrator SteamRep Admin

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    You need to slow down when submitting these to avoid those duplicates - there is no bug, its just your connection/computer and rushing.
  4. Horse

    Horse Administrator SteamRep Admin

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    As for this report - what exactly are you reporting.
    Keep it short pls.
  5. Earthquake Hobo

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    Oh, sorry. The first time the page just redirected straight to the safetrading page after 2 uploads. I'll slow down next time.
  6. Earthquake Hobo

    Earthquake Hobo New User

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    Reporting impersonation with attempt to scam/defraud.
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    Ok where is the intent to defraud at? I don't see it in the screenshots..what proof do you have?
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    Scam3 screenshot - I ask whether he intends for me to send 100 keys, followed by him sending the PayPal over.
  9. Horse

    Horse Administrator SteamRep Admin

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    I still don't see anything intent related - no link given no idea what account they were referring to.
    What else do you have?
  10. Earthquake Hobo

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    Alright, so I came across the actual trader on this reddit post.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2trade/comments/ch36yu/hpaypal_wkeys_175usd_each/
    I comment on his post, then go to his Steam account, leave a comment on his Steam Profile, and send him an invite.
    Moments later this guy adds me, Steam profile set up to look like Arcan's account, calling it his "Discussion account". I ask whether he's Arcan and why he's contacting me through this account, to which he says he doesn't trade on his main account. Says that unless I doubt him we are to proceed with the trade of 100 keys for $175 as stated on the post of the real Arcan.
    I'm not sure what else you need. He seems good at covering for himself after, but it's pretty clear he's impersonated Arcan, tried to scam me, then left and changed his profile outlook multiple times after.
  11. Horse

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    You need to show me where the intent to defraud is - all of that says nothing about intent to defraud.
    What discussion account - where does it show this user giving you a URL to another account?
    Then once you show me that how is that intent to defraud.
    Regardless of what I think or you think - you MUST show me proof of intent to defraud here - this burden is on you not me..you created the report.
  12. Earthquake Hobo

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    There's no URL to another account, it wasn't really necessary for the impersonator, with his profile looking like the one he was impersonating to link the account he was impersonating as well and I didn't ask. He did say he was Arcan, that the other Arcan was his main, and tried to resume my trade with the other guy. Unfortunately this is all the chat I got before he removed me, as it became clear the scam was a fail.
    The intent to defraud was on him impersonating the other Arcan, then attempting to proceed with the trade I offered to the real Arcan, a key for PayPal trade. The guy already has 2 similar reports from the last 2 months on BP.tf https://backpack.tf/trust/76561198423686552.

    You'll just have to decide whether this was enough - He added me clearly trying to impersonate Arcan, out of the blue after I've commented on the actual Arcans post and profile (first screenshot). Says he's Arcan himself, but a discussion account, with the other one being his main account (impersonation - 2nd screen). Tries to proceed with the trade I discussed with the real Arcan, involving keys and PayPal (intent to defraud/scam - 3rd screen). Removes me the moment I call him a scammer and changes his profile picture and name very many times. For heavens sake, even right now he's impersonating someone else. https://steamcommunity.com/id/zerguet
  13. ĔлigмД.txt (KeroKero)

    ĔлigмД.txt (KeroKero) New User

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    Hi, the "victim" here. User who made the report wanted me to testify and so can confirm that the accused is an impersonator going around pretending to be other people.
  14. Horse

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    Without proof that the user was giving intentional purpose to defraud (no link given or any reason to say they were trying to use another account as their own reputation) then I can't review this. Other than that - what I did miss too was the Victim was supposed to submit the report, we do not review 3rd party reports.
    You can say the user was impersonating with intent to defraud by impersonating someone else but you can't show proof of that..no where does that user give a link or anything showing they were doing that with what you provided. The user can use any names they wish to use - Valve makes it that way. Impersonation alone is NOT a reportable offense and therefore without proof of intent here I can't review this.
    It's being rejected first and foremost since the Victim didn't submit the report as required but still stands to reason if the victim did submit it with the same evidence we would be in the same boat here.
    Again it isn't what I think or what anyone THINKS here...its what you can SHOW and PROVE.
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