Accepted Report: 76561198134901693 - ([TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items)

Scam Report

Report Type: [Money] PayPal scam or scam attempt
Virtual item type involved: [TF2] Team Fortress 2 Items

Accused profile: 76561198134901693

Victim profile: 76561198069936145

What happened? Description:

User added me to buy keys. After negotiating, a deal was made. They paid first (and covered fees) then I sent keys. I left the rep for them after that. The following day I was informed by Paypal that a payment received was not authorized by the account holder.

I sent in evidence of the completed trade as per Paypals guidelines then contacted the buyer. They informed me that the money came from a pre-paid card which they had bought and would look into it. I said I would give them a week before I took action. I heard nothing from them for a week and chased up to which they requested a couple more days. I said I need to report in 24 hours.

Come to today, they tell me the one who sold them the card is now banned (likely for chargebacks - it should be noted that I have not been given the information of this 3rd party who is banned at this point). I requested advise in the tf2 forums as to how to proceed. They advised that I should not be the victim here and that it is his responsibility to fix. He was given a choice. Send the money again to cover the current chargeback (to which if the original case is seen in my favour and I get the money back I just refund what he has sent over to me) or receive the report. They did not want to resend the money.​

Provide Evidence:

Evidence attached including full chat log​

Monday, 30 July 2018

Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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19:48
Hi you added me?
WAVY
:
19:48
Hi, I wanted to know if you are selling keys
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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19:48
I am selling my keys. Selling for GBP
or £
WAVY
:
19:48
What's the price?
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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19:48
£1.45 per key
WAVY
:
19:49
oh ok
How long are you online for?
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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19:49
few hours
going to jump into some games now. So you have time if you have other things to do
WAVY
:
19:50
Could you go to like £1.35?
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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19:50
afriad not. far too low
WAVY
:
19:50
1.4?
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
19:51
Sorry
WAVY
:
19:52
30 keys would be £42?
£43.20
£43.50
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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19:53
£43.5 yes thats correct. Have 150 keys to sell right now
WAVY
:
19:54
I can buy 40 for now
19:54
and more either later or tomorrow
Is that ok?
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
19:55
well its up to you if you would rather wait until tomorrow to buy more in 1 go. Im not in any rush
WAVY
:
19:55
I'll buy some now and some tomorrow
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
19:58
40 keys would be £58
Are you in the UK
?
WAVY
:
19:58
US
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
19:59
Alright. You know you will need to cover the fees too right?
WAVY
:
19:59
Yeah, no problem
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
20:00
https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/67477-selling-backpack-for-pure/
20:00
details for the paypal trade are on there. Monzo is alternative if you prefer direct bank transfer
paypal email is [email protected]
WAVY
:
20:03
Getting my steam info
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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20:03
np
WAVY
:
20:05
I, WAVY am using this money to send to Findiculous for virtual in-game items that I have received and will not chargeback under any circumstances."

Then after the text, include your Steam info:

| steamname: WAVY
| steam3ID: [U:1:174635965]
| steamID32: STEAM_0:1:87317982
| steamID64: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198134901693
| customURL: https://steamcommunity.com/id/jnorton254
| steamrep: https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198134901693
20:05
is that ok?
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
20:05
all good yes
20:06
ill prepare the trade whilst you do the paypal
WAVY
:
20:06
Sending
[email protected]
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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20:06
thats the one
WAVY
:
20:07
Done
20:08


Gyazo


GYAZO.COM
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
20:08
received

You sent WAVYa new trade offer
View trade offer

keys sent
WAVY
:
20:09
Thanks
I might get some more later, will let you know
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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20:09
No problem. I will be around for another couple of hours before I sleep. I will add some rep for you now too
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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21:53
Heading off now. I left rep for you. Thanks for the trade
WAVY
:
21:55
Thanks, cya

Wednesday, 1 August 2018

Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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17:26
Ah you're online. I received a message from paypal that our transaction has been opened for investigation and determined that this payment was not authorised by the Paypal Account holder?
WAVY
:
17:26
Hi, when was this message received?
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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17:26
Yesterday
WAVY
:
17:27
I bought a prepaid card from someone and used it on PayPal, looks like he charged back
I'll have to contact him
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
17:28
Alright. Well I have submitted evidence of the completed transaction in the meantime. I hope to hear some positive news from your end
Hope this can be resolved easily
WAVY
:
17:28
Yeah, same here, it's really frustrating for me because I got scammed over $300 last week, so nothing good's coming from my end so far
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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17:31
I can see how that would be an issue. I currently have another pending investigation from someone who appears to have been a scammer. Paypal might not be able to help me on that one. So having this other one resolved easily would be good . Sorry to hear about the $300 though. Thats rough. Scamming is a real problem lately
WAVY
:
17:31
Yeah, it sucks, unlike back in 2016
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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17:33
True. Anyways, keep me posted on updates from the guy who sold you the card.
WAVY
:
17:34
Will do
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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17:40
I will add, as you are probably aware, this leaves a sting on my paypal. Im reasonable so I will give it a week from the date the case was opened (so August 7th). If I have heard nothing then I will need to report im sorry

Tuesday, 7 August 2018

Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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18:52
Hi Wavy. So the issue is still live in paypal. Did you speak to the guy you got the Paypal card off?
WAVY
:
20:13
Hi. Yeah, he was meant to give me replacement but hasn't been online for a while
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
21:11
How long is a while? Because at this rate it sounds like I wont get the money back :/
WAVY
:
21:21
Could you give it a couple days please
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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21:29
Come on man you have already had a week. I was nice enough to give even that. Most others would hae just auto reported for this kind of thing
21:30
24 hours i need to report. Im sorry dude

Wednesday, 8 August 2018

Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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16:47
So following from yesterday im going to ask again for an update. Its been a week now


Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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21:00
Alright I have asked in the forums and been advised that this can be dealt with in the way as per the forum post:
https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/67887-report-or-alternative/
Basically it saves you from a report and if the issue gets resolved, you get the money refunded
WAVY
:
21:16
Read it but there's a slight problem
The guy got banned, so I assume it was because of chargebacks
21:17
I got scammed $349 a few weeks back and that was the money I've gained after like 2 weeks of putting hours in daily
How many keys did I buy from you?
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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21:17
40 keys
WAVY
:
21:18
How much was that on PayPal?
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
21:18
£58 (GBP)
WAVY
:
21:21
Ok
I've been using prepaid cards for a while and had no issues but from what I know, it's relatively easy to chargeback prepaid cards by just calling and saying 'I didn't make this purchase', so the guy probably bought them then did that to get money from selling as well as the money from the card back
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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21:23
Yes that is a possibility. Hence why I have provided my evidence. However, issue is since the keys went to you and not to this guy, my case might not hold up in paypal as he would just claim that someone must have stolen his details since the account information listed is not his
21:24
Paypal would then probably track the IP address that made the payments and see the discrepency and then there lies the problem
WAVY
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21:25
With payments from cards, it's completely different
You could literally call your bank then say it was unauthorised
21:26
The bank will be on your side at all times, unless they notice that you did that sort of thing regularly
In this case, no real bank is involved, only employees under Visa Prepaid and it's not easy to prove that you haven't done something, so they would refund in all/most cases
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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21:27
Indeed. Though that still doesnt solve the situation at hand. You are basically asking me to wait and see what happens?
Because sorry dude but im not doing that
21:28
As per the forum, you could repay now, and then if my case is won and I get the money back, I issue you a refund from what you paid.
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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21:36
Bascially thats the only option here. Otherwise I have to report because like I said its been a week.
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
21:53
So?
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
22:00
Look man if you're going to just ignore me I may as well just submit this report
WAVY
:
22:01
I'm really not in the position to pay since I'm a victim as much as you and as I said before, I've lost $349 and I need to make up for that

I just need time

If I didn't intend to get this sorted out, I would've blocked you or transferred accounts and ignore you
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
:
22:04
You didnt get back to me for a week. I have had to chase you up. You have given me no other choice here. If you do figure it out, you can appeal with steamrep after thetrade has been honoured.
WAVY
:
22:06
Doing that really doesn't make anything better, considering that if I do deals on steam, other users will see that I have a pending report
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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22:07
Its to protect others from scam attempts. I gave you the choice. And you have chosen to not fix this.
WAVY
:
22:07
What do you mean scam attempts? As I said before, you'd be blocked and ignored if I were to scam you
22:08
Why should I make false promises when I could end this in 2 clicks and make a new account?
Findiculous - [CASHING OUT]
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22:10
You havent made any promises. You just said "more time" that doesnt make me feel comfortable. You could be doing anything. So im submitting now

Forgot to change the proof of trade screenshot to show mouse over the accused. Now attached

So to update, unsurprisingly, the case was not found in my favor and the payment was refunded to the scammer. Images attached of activity and email from paypal.
Please advise if any other evidence is needed. The accused has made no attempts to repay the money that they owe from the trade.

Like this?

Posted now I think. Not sure if I was supposed to reply or just post normally.