Declined Report: 76561199191587988 - ([CSGO] Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Items)

Scam Report

Report Type: [Other] Any other fraudulent behavior
Virtual item type involved: [CSGO] Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Items

Accused profile: 76561199191587988

Victim profile: 76561198103833357

What happened? Description:

The scammer first reached out to me on a Reddit question post I made in the subreddit r/GlobalOffensiveTrade. They offered to help me buy a bayonet doppler sapphire through a third-party skin marketplace like "buff" but they had me go first. They wanted me to trade my navaja doppler sapphire and send some bitcoin in exchange for the price of the bayonet doppler sapphire. I decided to trust this scammer and went first and sent my navaja doppler sapphire. After I sent it, I realized I had been scammed and wanted it back but the scammer refused to trade it back to me. They walked me through setting up a bitcoin wallet and was under the impression that I was still going to send them bitcoin but I instead tried to get my navaja doppler sapphire back but they never gave it back. They gave the excuse that they had sold it to a buyer in order to help me get money to buy the bayonet doppler sapphire for me. I accused them in our Reddit DM chat and they never gave my navaja doppler sapphire back. I meant to report this scam sooner but I was afraid and did not have access to my Reddit account on a PC computer at the time so I could not take bigger screenshots. But now that I have access to a PC computer to log into my Reddit account, I am able to take screenshots of our chat logs. I also copy and pasted our chat log to guide in the report's review process. You can see that one of their posts was taken down by moderators in the r/GlobalOffensiveTrade subreddit.

Here are some links to support my report below:
-My Reddit question post: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffe...are_billing_details_and_account_verification/

-Their Reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/frostythetrader

-Their Steam profile: https://steamcommunity.com/id/frostycstrading​

Provide Evidence:

Please refer to the chat log I copy and pasted in addition to the screenshots I took of our chat, the Steam trade completion, and their post being taken down by moderators.​

Jun 2
Sadly it is required for kycfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Hi, thank you for your message. I have been out of the trading and csgo skin scene for a couple years. Can you please explain what that means?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Its just something sites implemented because of laws involving gambling and taxes and commercial use
Your best bet is to pay a private buyer and ask them to purchase something you want and you pay them to do that service for you
It isnt super common but people do that stuff for some commissionfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Ah I see, so all the whitelisted sites have kyc in place?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yeah all of them its a required process even for most gambling sites that are steam basedfrostythetrader Snoovatar
And that includes bitcoin deposits too?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Well to even have a crypto wallet you go through kyc
You should just find a buyer that buys and give him commission if your looking to buy something idk if that helpsfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I see. Is there a guide on the subreddit that tells how that all works?
And to be honest, I kind of find it hard to trust that method since what if I go first and pay the buyer and then they just block me like a middleman scheme?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Well scammers are easy to point out they either say they have comments to prove there trust worthy or they just make some random stuff up
Your best bet is to find trustworthy buyers in csgo rep forum because in order to get rep there its all verified with proof if trades so those are the only legit buyers
Most well known traders have threads there
You can find people on steam-reputation.com and try to find people with over 25 repsfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Does that make any sensefrostythetrader Snoovatar
That makes sense, I'll check it out, thanks.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Jun 3
Okay if you want I can help you outfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I am messaging with antonl99, he has a rep of 29, would you say he is legit and safe?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Can you link his steam
Also here’s my rep thread
https://steam-reputation.com/profile/76561199191587988
I have more rep than him and am willing to help
Its just I haven’t really heard of Anton so yeah.frostythetrader Snoovatar
https://steamcommunity.com/id/antonbeast/
He posts his 'store' a lot in the global offensive trade subreddit
And I appreciate it, what do you think?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Im not sure he seems like a buyer and seller not sure he would do what your looking for
What are you trying to buy?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Bayonet sapphire, I am offering him my navaja sapphire and cash but I won't have the cash until next Friday so he is willing to hold onto the knife for me for 8 days if I give him the navaja as reassurance.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Idk if you should trust that, giving them a knife for 8 days. He can technically say whatever they want after he has the knife
Also how will you be paying the cash, crypto?
If you want I can just take the navaja and buy you the bayonet sapphire today and since your getting your money in a week and all items are trade locked for a week the timing will line up pretty well
So in a week I will send you the bayo and you can just give me the cash but it depends how much and what payment methodfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I see. And depositing and buying on csgofloat, if that doesn't work then I'll use cryptob1ast0ise Snoovatar
What? I thought you where finding buyers to do that cause all the sites require kycfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I'm not sure since Jambozx seems to have said that it's only required for sellers?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Im pretty sure that’s not true its for both buyers and sellersfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Honestly I may just wait until I do have the funds and if it's still there then I can just do it all at the same time without having to send my navaja as reassurance you know?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Sure you can do that I just thought you wanted to use the navaja as part of the paymentfrostythetrader Snoovatar
And if it's not there anymore, I will could just look for another bayonet sapphire somewhere else.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
There should be sapphires on buff there essentially every skin you could search for on bufffrostythetrader Snoovatar
Ah, I guess we should ask csgofloat support to confirm since there is conflicting information.
And I do want to use the navaja as part of the payment, but after thinking about what you said, I feel a little better about just waiting it out until I can do the entire payment at the same time.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okay
Just saying If you want to do it today, I will buy the sapphire today, like it will be in my inventory so you know I bought it. All you have to do is find which one you want out of all the marketplaces. buff float deals money all those sites.
But yeahfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh wow, I appreciate that, could I just contact you around next Friday when I have the funds?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yeah thats fine, how will you pay the funds, what payment method?
I prefer crypto since its the safestfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Great, appreciate your help. Crypto should work, I was thinking of bitcoin, I need to set up a wallet, I was thinking of Coinbase?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yup, coinbase is a great option although you do need to enter some personal info so considering what you said before I'm not sure if your able to do thatfrostythetrader Snoovatar
How long does it take to verify and what kind of info?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I dont remeber because I set up my coinbase a long time ago but I believe just your first and last name and id.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh okay, and you said you recommend looking at buff?
Since they have the biggest variety?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Well to find which sapphire you want
yeahfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Honestly, I am just looking for something with at least 0.01 float or less and is the cheapest.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
The cheapest one is 25400 rmb and its a .069 float
Let me try to find the cheapest .01 float
26000 rmb for a .01 floatfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Thanks, and what is the conversion rate for rmb?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
3,903.73 USDfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh wow okay. How much lower could it be if I added my navaja sapphire?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I'll have a look at the cash price of your navaja and let you know give me a minute.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Okayb1ast0ise Snoovatar
The cheapest .01 navaja saphire on buff is 2150 rmb which is 322.81 USD
So the price of the bayo sapphire - your knife = 3580.92 USDfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh I see, what is your steam?
I am on mobile and can't see the full linkb1ast0ise Snoovatar
A lot of the stuff I own is on buff so its a bit empty but heres my steam


Steamcommunity
https://steamcommunity.com/id/frostycstrading/

Steam Community :: Frosty
steamcommunity.com
Do you also have discord?frostythetrader Snoovatar
I just added you and yes I dob1ast0ise Snoovatar
Alright we can also add eachother on discord just so we have multiple forms of communication
frosty#8658frostythetrader Snoovatar
Sureb1ast0ise Snoovatar
So, I guess the first thing you should get setup is coinbasefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Gotcha, yeah I'll look into that when I have more time later today
Out of curiosity, what is your rank in MM?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I don't play cs I only trade/buy/sell so I'm unranked. When I did play cs the best rank I reached was gold nova 1
You?
Also it wasn't on this account it was back in 2014 I don't game anymore what so everfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh gotcha, I am currently Silver 3 but back in the day I was around Gold Nova Master - MG1 but that was a long time ago.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Interesting
Also are you from Japan?frostythetrader Snoovatar
No I just like to have it there. Are you from Germany?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
That’s where I was born but i dont live there anymorefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh I see, I am also wondering, since there will be a 7 day trade ban for the bayonet sapphire, would I need to trade you my navaja sapphire before you buy the bayonet from buff or are you okay with buying it first and then waiting until I get my coinbase set up, etc. and then having me send the bitcoin first and doing the navaja for bayonet trade right after?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Well I would first need all of the payments your giving me because as I showed you I have rep and that’s how I will be buying the knife
It would honestly be easier for me to receive your navaja first so I can use it as part of the payment which will then line everything else up with you getting your money in 8 daysfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Im not sure im trying to think of the easiest and fastest way for me to do thisfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh so it would be easiest if I sent you my navaja, then you could buy the bayonet sapphire earlier in advance before I get my funds in 8 days?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Hmm im not sure because I usually dont buy anything before I recieve all funds just so I know the person im dealing with wont back out of the deal last minute
I think that might be the best however I may be able withdraw the bayonet instead of to my steam, to your steam so that eliminates further wait when I get the cryptofrostythetrader Snoovatar
Gotcha, so if I am understanding this right, it seems it would be best if I waited until I got my funds and bitcoin set up, send you the navaja and the bitcoin, and then you'd buy the bayonet, we'd have to wait 7 more days and then you'd send the bayonet to me?
Oh, how would that work?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Well if there’s a way once I have the funds I can try to withdraw to your steam instead of mine
So we dont have to wait another week
It would be best however if I recieve the navaja now so I can use it as part of the payment next weekfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh like having buff send the bayonet to my trade link?
And would you have to sell the navaja through buff on your end as part of the payment?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yes that would be the easiest
*selling on my partfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I am just wondering how do you know you will sell the navaja in time and for the right price?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I can just list it for the buy order price
Or the lowest price which is what I gave youfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I see. I was just thinking of another way, I am not sure if people do this often or if you would be willing to. But what if I just overpaid you in items from the steam marketplace that you told me to buy, and then you could just buy the bayonet sapphire after I buy all the items you request. It also depends on how much I would be overpaying and what the final costs would be, but I just feel like doing a trade in one go is better. No offense to you, you are really nice, but I just still don't feel the most comfortable going first and sending that amount even though I don't have any rep. If csgo keys were still tradable, I would just buy the keys and trade that way but unfortunately that doesn't exist anymore.. What do you think and how much would I be expecting to overpay by in items?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Im not sure because if were talking about buying individual items, it would have to be liquid and buying stuff on steam has 15% tax so everything you would buy would keep stacking that 15% lost and you’d loose a horrendous amount to fees
If you want you could just send the navaja and half the crypto and with that I’ll use my own money to buy the sapphire and you pay the rest
Im not really surefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh I forgot about those taxes
Pay you the other half after you buy the bayonet and it is in your steam inventory and then you would send it to me?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Im not really sure
The best way would be like I said send the navaja so I can instant sell it in a week and then have your cash ready at the same time and buy it and have it delivered to you instead of mefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Hm, can you check and verify if it can be delivered to me? I just don't know if buff doesn't allow that or not?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I would have to find a buyer to do that with
Most likely unless you know if buff allows that?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Hm, I wouldn't mind trying to test it with you with a small item if you can't find a buyer, but that would probably have to wait until I get bitcoin.
And I have no clueb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Also whats the issue with sending the navaja today so I can use it as part of the payment next weekfrostythetrader Snoovatar
And just to confirm, your account is all verified and did the kyc process for buff?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yes ive already dont kyc for most marketplaces
Done*frostythetrader Snoovatar
To be honest I'm just still naturally cautious about doing all this, nothing having to do with you. It's just that even though I clearly see your cash rep, etc., I still don't know you. And I know that goes both ways, but I just still want to be careful.
Would you happen to know anyone who might know the answer about if we can have you buy on buff while it gets delivered to me on steam?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yeah im asking atmfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Also I don't think you mentioned, but what is your commission for doing this?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I mean its your first time and probably only since it seems your buying a play knife.
Honestly 2% is fine to mefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Yeah I'm not a trader, it's my dream knife and play knife.
Will that 2% be factored in before you would have me send you the navaja?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
No you can just pay that in total im not sure I understand what you meanfrostythetrader Snoovatar
What I am asking is what are you charging to do all this for me? As in commission for helping me do this?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
2%frostythetrader Snoovatar
Okay, so how much would that be? Or is that already included in the price you mentioned earlier above?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yup the price mentioned before
That's 71 but that seems a lot for this being the only time your doing this
If your cool with 25 we can just do that I don't mind.frostythetrader Snoovatar
25 USD? Thank you, can you send an updated cost?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
3605.92frostythetrader Snoovatar
Okay so that is how much I would be paying you in bitcoin?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
That amount because that amount is the fee + we already deducted the navaa
navaja*frostythetrader Snoovatar
Okay so 3605.92 in BTC + Navaja for the bayonet sapphire with float 0.01. Are you sure the price will stay the same in 8 days?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yeah cs prices aren't really changing I'm sure it will maintain but if there are any changes it will go up in price because the crypto crash is bringing a lot of activity to csfrostythetrader Snoovatar
So after I send you the navaja, if the bayonet goes up in price, will you still charge me 3605.92 or a higher price?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
The same price because trust me it won't go up and if it does by a significant amount I'll let you know but I'm 99 percent sure it wont changefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Okay then, if you can sell the navaja for higher than the current buy order, that would help if things happened to go up in price.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yup I can try if you wantfrostythetrader Snoovatar
If I see it goes higher for sure I'll do that but I'm certain itll be stablefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Okay, also what is the best time for me to message you and in what time zone should I refer to?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Eastern - It's 9:20 PM for me right nowfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh okay, I'm 3 hours behind in Pacificb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Alright
So do you want me to recieve the navaja so it can be sold when you get the rest of your moneyfrostythetrader Snoovatar
What do you recommend?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I mean thats what would be easiest and best so that everythings ready next weekfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh right you mean for today because of the 7 day trade ban, okay. Sending it now.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Alright sounds goodfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Sent.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Alright I got it.
We have eachother added on steam and discord and here so we can chat whenever.
So now we just wait until next Friday I believe is when you said you get your check
What you should get to asap is your coinbase account and see how that goes.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Okay . Yeah it should be Friday, I do have work all day that day so I may not be able to complete the transaction until at night after work.
Okay will do.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Sounds good, do let me know how it goes with your coinbase and as long as your over 18 you should be good.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Sure, and let me know if you find out about buff and if they would allow delivering items to my steam inventory or trade link.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Will do.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 4
Hey, just checking in with you about coinbase and how the setups goingfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Hey! Sorry for long message: So I set up my account but my daily deposit limits would require me to buy the bitcoin on 2 separate days because the total amount I need to buy is more than what I am allowed to buy in one day. And on top of that, they make you wait another 11 days before you can send the purchased bitcoin to another address. Since I get paid next Friday, I won't be able to be done buying all the bitcoin until that next day Saturday. Then we will have to wait another 11 days after that unless I sent you some bitcoin 1 day before that 11th day.

Since it's going to take a while, can you first send the navaja back to me next Friday? And for all the trouble you are going through to help me out with all this, I am willing to pay you fully in bitcoin so you don't need to worry about paying your own money for the bayonet and so we don't have to worry about selling the navaja. I will buy a little extra bitcoin so I will have enough to cover the entire cost of the bayonet you buy from buff and any other fees and commission, so there's no need to sell an item as part of the payment. So all that would need to be done is for me to send you my bitcoin after you send me back the navaja first, then you can buy the bayonet with the bitcoin and hopefully buff can send the bayonet to me without us having to wait another 7 days.

Does that work with you? And can you send me the trade offer once the navaja is available to be traded next Friday June 10th so that I can just send the bitcoin right away once the funds are available to be sent to your address?

And did you ever find out about buff letting us deliver to my inventory?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
To start yes the delivery is good and there’s nothing to worry about I’m able to get it delivered to you.
Back to coinbase, when I buy with coinbase, the crypto I bought is instantly tradeable so I’m not so sure of where you read about delay
Unless your dealing with bank deposits yeah that’s not instant
But yes I also have a daily deposit limit for my coinbase so I can see that as being part of the issue.
So yeah we have some issues we have to sort of so that we have a clean plan to follow.
So first question, does your bank limit your deposits or are you talking about coinbase limits.frostythetrader Snoovatar
The Coinbase daily limit
And are you good with sending the navaja back to me next Friday?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Well I still want to asses the situation and see what’s best because I already went ahead and found someone that wants to buy it for the desired price and I don’t want to turn my back on him and say I’m not interested anymore.
So let’s first figure some stuff out, are you frosting with credit card, bank, debit or wire
Or how do you plan on adding money to your crypto walletfrostythetrader Snoovatar
But I said I will just pay in full bitcoin? I don't see what the problem is with you just sending it back to me?
And bank depositb1ast0ise Snoovatar
That’s not the problem, the problem is having been told what I was yesterday I already agreed to sell this for the price we talked about and they were waiting to buy it next Friday.
I’m not really sure what to do because your doing bank deposit which will take a long time as you saidfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Can you just call it off? The navaja isn't tradable until next Friday anyways?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I mean I’d hate to call it off that’s why I have my rep because I stick true to my word. I’m not sure why your really worried about the navaja is everything okay?
Also although crypto is preferred there’s other things we can dofrostythetrader Snoovatar
The best plan would first be for you to cancel the sale with the buyer and then send the navaja back. Then we just wait until I have all the funds ready. I mean there's credit card deposit too but I'm not sure if that is faster?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
That don’t involve coinbase
I don’t know about credit card, I just know that debit card is instantfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Is there something binding you to not being able to cancel the sale? Would you have to contact buff or something like that?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
But they all have limits and the payment options that have better deposit limits take longer
No it’s nothing to do with buff that’s not it but when I have people contact me wanting to buy a knife and I agree to sell it to them for a price, with my reputation crossing their word is something I hate and never do.
It’s nothing with bufffrostythetrader Snoovatar
Ohh right debit card, that's an option too.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yeah but the limit is low, atleast for me it’s only 1k
Listen just relax I’m gonna take a look at other options that don’t involve crypto so it’s easier let me look at some things.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I am, but you are good to send the navaja back next Friday? I could message with the person too if that would help? I don't understand why they wouldn't be okay with finding another navaja elsewhere?
I can just pay you in crypto or whatever cash would be the easiest, I just don't want to do the item trade anymore which is why it would best if you just sent the navaja back. Does that make sense?
And maybe I need to reach out to coinbase to see if there are faster options they offer, since I tried raising my limits but they didn't raise them for me.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yes that makes sense but I wish you told me earlier because of the reasons I just stated before. I can’t just take back what I already agreed on I have rep for a reason. I can tell by your tone your not going to be happy with this but I can’t just say no to him after we agreed. If I knew about this I would of 100% not agreed to sell it to him
Coinbase won’t increase limits unless you have spent a lot of money and done multiple transactions. I’ve had my limits increased but hardly.
I’m trying to find a non crypto way
Just hold on, I’m trying to find solutionsfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Listen, I am sorry for changing it after I already sent you it, but can you please send it back next Friday? And it's not like that person paid you for the navaja already right?
The navaja and the bayonet are both play skins to me.
Could I give you feedback for helping me out and write that you gave me back the navaja once you send the offer to help with your rating? You shouldn't have to lose rep for doing this, you are just helping a guy out and I appreciate all your help, I just want the navaja back before I decide to buy the bayonet from you.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
If it matters that much to you I'll buy another one with a similar float next week from buff with the crypto and have it delivered to you, but canceling deals is not what I practice and something I do. I'm letting you know that's something I can't do, I agreed and the circumstances are just unfortunate.
If you would of told me about this yesterday sending it back would of been just fine.
Your entitled to leave rep if you want but its up to you and after the deal finishes ofcourse.
This being said, you will have both knifes next week once I find a reasonably prices navaja that you are interested in.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I am not understanding, so if I told you yesterday after I traded you, you would agree? You are not making much sense to me right now, what is holding you back?
agree with sending it back?*
What are the circumstances?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I told you, I can't just cancel a deal with someone I agreed with, I don't know why you aren't understanding that we made an agreement and he is buying the knife. Imagine you where to send me the bitcoin, I cancel the deal and tell you I'm not interested and send the bitcoin back, now you have all this false hope and bitcoin lying around.
Are you not okay with me buying one next week and having it delivered to you?
What I was saying is if you didn't want me selling the knife yesterday, I wouldn't of agreed to the guy thats buying it.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I get that, but nothing was lost between you and the person interested in the navaja. And aren't you selling it on buff, the navaja sapphire is not that rare, there are for sure more navaja sapphires out there to choose from?
And no I am not okay with you buying a new one when you can just send me the current one you have, I don't see the what's wrong?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yes buff because after all, that's where all the money will be so I can buy the items, but he contacted me wanting to buy it and I agreed.
Please try to re-read what I said I am reading it back myself and it makes sense to me. Its just something I can't do because of my reputation and the practices I've been following. We made a deal, I can't back out of it thats just it plain and simple I don't know what else to say.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Why can't you say no, is he going to leave you bad rep or something just for deciding not to sell it? Did that person already buy the funds or something to buy the navaja?
What is their steam? Can I just talk to them?
How can that person affect you if you just decided that you don't want to sell the navaja to them. It's not tradable for another 5-6 days right?
Listen, just send the offer next Friday and then we can move on, I really want to buy the bayonet from you, I just want my navaja back too. What can I do to help that guy understand where we're coming from(
?*b1ast0ise Snoovatar
There’s nothing you can do, I’m the one dealing with him I can’t just do that and explained please listen to what I said. Not that I care about bad rep if it’s deserved but I just feel like I’m repeating myself. You should know why.
I promise I will buy another navaja back for you
Or just deduct my fee from what is owed because I understand your frustrationfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I am listening, but what will you make send my navaja back to me next Friday? You should just honor that for helping me out. Do you understand me?
No need to deduct because as I said earlier, I will pay you fully in bitcoin once I get the funds and we figure this out.
And there's no need to leave you bad rep since you'll be able to send me the navaja back next Friday once it's available?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I understand you perfectly but I don't think you understand me. I am telling you I can't stop the deal from occuring. If the buyer decides great I'm not interested then I'll let you know and you'll get it back on Friday. If he doesn't I can't do anything but sell it to him and I hope you understand why, I explained it.
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I'm not talking about you giving me bad rep I'm talking about the other person. I'm not worried about our situation because If you listen it will go as planned.frostythetrader Snoovatar
What is stopping you from stopping the deal?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I told you.frostythetrader Snoovatar
What can I do to help them understand? I would understand if he already paid you, but he didn't right?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
He hasn't personally sent me anything but he did do something out of his way already. Not only would I feel terrible for doing that to him, but because of the reasons mentioned before I simply can't.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Can you explain what was out of his way?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Similar to you, but not really. He wire transferred money into wechat.frostythetrader Snoovatar
If I was that person interested in buying from you, I would understand and just find another navaja, since you are really great at communicating and fast at responding.
Let them know right away to cancel that transfer. If it already went to you, you can just send it back right?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I haven't talked to him, hes not wire transfering to me, hes wire transfering to add money to we chat.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Hey I have to go for a bit, but let me know if you find any other options to do this deal if bitcoin doesn't work with you. And please explain our situation to him.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Hes from China thats one of the only ways to deposit money on buff. Adding money to wechat and then adding that to buff.
I will, but please understand what I have said previously. I'm trying my best and also looking for other things that don't involve crypto because of the tedious limits.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I'm also heading out now but will keep in touch.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I see. But I just thought of this, since you seem to be unable to back out of your arrangement, what if you just buy me a new navaja sapphire from buff with the amount you sell it for, wait the 7 days and then send it to me? And then we can proceed with the rest of the transaction?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Well what I suggested was easier and faster which was me buying everything on Friday and sending you both items.
Because since it’s already being bought for the price we mentioned previously that’s part of the money that will be used since it will already be on buff along with the rest of the crypto so then I can just buy both items. The crypto however will need to increase since I will be buying not just the bayo but also another navaja so realistically your paying in full crypto for the knife.
And I already told you I can have the buyer deliver it to you so everything can be instant.
So next Friday when the crypto is sorted out I will buy both the navaja and bayonet and have them delivered to you.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I’m still figuring out some stuff excuse the long messages.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Gotcha, I would appreciate getting the navaja back first before I pay for the bayonet too when everything is tradeable? And what are you trying to figure out? Need any help on my end?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
No help needed I’ll keep you informed. So your asking for a navaja back before we do anything? That doesn’t make sense because we’re then back at where we started
I told you I’d just buy you the navaja if you really want it. Why is there suddenly a urge to have everything returned. Is there something wrong? Do you not trust me? I informed you that I would buy both and have them deliveredfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I mean once I have the funds ready, and both knives are tradeable, are you willing to go first and send me the navaja?
And I trust you, which you can already tell from how I already sent you the navaja. I simply just want a navaja sapphire back if it can't be the one I gave you. I already went first, why can't you go first this time?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I have cash rep, I don’t go first unless it’s another known trader with rep or someone I know personally. Although we’ve talked for a while you don’t have rep, nor do I know you on a personal level
To be clear you wanted me to buy you the bayo sapphire which we both agreed too. Yesterday you where completely fine with using the navaja as part of the payment and now today that isn’t the case. I don’t get what happened to change your mind. Anyways, the whole plan was for you to send the crypto and we use that as the other part of the payment to buy the bayonet. I was going to use my own money to buy you a navaja afterwards since you changed your mind. If I just buy a navaja I never know if your just trying to back out the deal and get your sapphire back. I had everything planned bottom line and would like to keep it like that.
So I’m going to ask that we do it as planned and I use the navaja and crypto as the payment for the bayo. And after you receive your bayo I will purchase you a navaja which you can pay for after you recieve your bayonet.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Alright then, I guess I just have to go through with this to the end then. So you'll update me if you find more info on non-crypto methods or anything easier?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yeah because with what you provided me regarding the limits, it’s going to be annoying.
I’ll keep you updated I’m going to head out for the night but I’ll message you tomorrow.
Have a nice night.frostythetrader Snoovatar
For sure, thank you. You as well b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Jun 5
Hey just a quick question, what are you coinbase limits for debit and do you have debit because that’s instant. I’ve been pretty busy today and will be throughout the week as I assume you will be too, just planning some stuff out. Have a nice day.
Also PayPal, Google Pay and Apple Pay are instant for buying crypto meaning it will be instantly tradeable just like debit, so I suggest adding those and checking the limits for those.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Hey I'm still looking into the different methods, I have been pretty busy today and also yes also throughout the week. Thanks for the heads up.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Alright, I'm not sure if you read the part about your limits. Whenever you get the chance could you let me know about your coinbase limits for those methods I asked you about.
Other than that have a good one.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Yeah they're around the same limit as what you said earlier. But I still prefer bank transfer because I read the fees are the lowest and it's just what I prefer. Thank you for your patience, have a good one too.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Alright bank deposits take 3-5 business days and can be used for large amounts so I believe you can use your bank to purchase the total amount at once. Earlier you said that wasn’t possible but I’m not sure if you where looking at the wrong payment method. So when you get the chance could you just check the limit for bank transfer and I’ll plan accordingly. Besides that have a good one.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 6
It appears that I won't be able to have everything until around the next next Tuesday, or just over 2 weeks. Bank deposits still take 11 days to be able to send, which is different from being able to trade. Other payment methods take a week to be able to send, but the limits are way lower. So let's plan in 2 weeks to do the transaction.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
So are you referring to the money actually being available in your bank taking 11 days? And then you will be able to buy the crypto. Just trying to make sense of what you provided. Anyways talk to you soon.
Also the other methods would be much faster because although limits are lower, there instant and daily limits so it would just involve buying crypto 4 days in a row if that makes sensefrostythetrader Snoovatar
No, the bitcoin will take 11 days to be sendable, and 7 days for the other methods, I did the calculations and if it took 4 days in a row for me to buy the total amount, it will still take around the same amount of time as the bank transfer, maybe a day less.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Where did you find that information? Because when I purchase crypto it’s instantly tradeable.
And bank deposits only take 3-4 business days.
There’s charts online about the different payment methods and there speed. I suggest you take a look. Have a nice one.frostythetrader Snoovatar
On the coinbase site. Tradeable as in can be sent or what do you mean by tradeable because tradable has two meanings here.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Tradeable meaning you can transfer the crypto to other wallet addresses. What other meaning are you referring too?
Also you should download the coinbase app on your phone aswell and make sure it’s setup if you haven’t done that.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Trade as in buy/sell along with other cryptos. For me I can't send to other addresses instantly due to the cooldown I mentioned above. And will do.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Jun 7
Where did you read about that cooldown because I don’t believe that ever happened to me.frostythetrader Snoovatar
In the app and also on their website, maybe it only applies to first time users?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Possibly, if you could send me a picture of that it would help. You could send it on discord if thats easiest. Thanks.frostythetrader Snoovatar
What other bitcoin platforms are out there? It bought a small amount of bitcoin last Friday and there's still around 7-8 days left before I am allowed to send it to another address. This is pretty ridiculous.
I bought*b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Well there are other platforms, but they have much longer delays. Coinbase is the better option out of all.
I'm pretty sure it shouldn't take that long, I don't know why thats happening to you. I'm going to look at some things and come back to you.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Okay.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I don't know if you want to try this, but bank deposits take time because what happens is, it is actually not the exchange that holds your money, the exchange is simply waiting for your bank to send the money over to them. This can take up days and sometimes even weeks.
I really suggest adding PayPal as a payment option because its instant and as opposed to your bank, it should be instantly transferable.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I did PayPal as well but it can only be linked to my bank account and it still takes a week.
I tested PayPal too and like I already said, it will take about the same time as bank transfer in total.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Hmm interesting, so the only other option as for coinbase to see if its faster is debit if you ever tried that.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I've been reading about other people in similar scenarios, it seems to be a Coinbase issue, I don't think they are as reliable as before. Give me some other exchanges and then I'll get back to you.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I've personally never had issues with coinbase, I'll try to look for other options but if you get the chance could you send me the message coinbase is telling you when you try to trade crypto.frostythetrader Snoovatar
This is a lot of trouble, want to just send the knife back and then we can just move on from this? Maybe there's something wrong with me trying to set up crypto? I don't have the whole message but all it says under Pending Transfers is Available to send in 7 days
I feel like I am really wasting your timeb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Your not wasting my time, your good.
Could you just send a picture of the message.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I want to do some research on the limit it’s giving you.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I would prefer to not send pictures but I can describe it. So the PayPal is around 1k, and the bank transfer shifted a lot but right now it's around 5k
If you search 11 days coinbase on Google, there should be a post about someone experiencing a similar thingb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okay
Something pretty ironic came to PayPal literally today. Crypto was available but you could only transfer to other PayPal’s, now you can transfer to external wallets so this may be a better option.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Actually disregard that, its a lengthy process to even begin because it asks for tax payer information and other stuff.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I'm still a little confused, so is the problem where if you buy crypto it won't let you send it until 11 days passed, did I describe that correctly?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Yes, for bank transfer, I can buy the crypto but then it does not let me send it anywhere until 11 days laterb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okay I’ll try to figure some stuff out and let you know. Have a nice one.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 8
Hey I think it's only 11 days for the first buy since its your first time with coinbase, I believe it'll be just fine buying it on friday with bank transfer and waiting the 3-4 business days. I don't believe there will be an 11 day hold then since you already bought crypto on coinbase.
Or if you want it to be instant on friday, you could just purchase with debit.
And if you don't mind me asking, how are you getting the 11 day hold message, by sending the crypto to an address or trying to withdraw it.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I see, I'm not sure of that because I initiated 1 buy using bank transfer and 1 buy using PayPal. I get it right after I Buy it. When I go to Send, I see the pending transfers note saying the days leftb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Hmm, thats weird because theres only one post about that and even that isn't related to the problems your encountering.
Where are you trying to send from, computer or the app?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Also did you setup your coinbase correctly like entering the correct information.frostythetrader Snoovatar
It was bothb1ast0ise Snoovatar

frostythetrader Snoovatar
I mean it should be if it let me buy?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
So your send doesn't look like this?
Yeahfrostythetrader Snoovatar
On the computer I think it does, on mobile it's differentb1ast0ise Snoovatar
So where in the process does it show the hold message?
It would be really easy if you could just send a picture of the message area.frostythetrader Snoovatar
On mobile, when you click on the little i icon next to 'X amount of BTC available', it shows pending transfers and then shows my two purchases with the messages I said earlier.
I'm all good with waiting, you already have my navaja and are going to sell it anyways so I don't know what to tell you.b1ast0ise Snoovatar

So like here a section with pending shows up for you.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Yupb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okay that makes more sense
So from the two purchases you made they both have 11 day holds.frostythetrader Snoovatar
No, bank transfer had 11 days, and the PayPal one had 7b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okayfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Emphasis on had because they were a few days agob1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yeah as long as your fine with waiting that sounds fine to me.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Can I buy elsewhere and just use my Coinbase account to receive the bitcoin like a wallet in a way?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Do you need to split up the buys because of the limit, like one day you buy x amount and the next that.
There’s some other things we could definitely try that involve buying vouchers for crypto websites that I could redeem and withdraw crypto from, but I don’t want to overwhelm you with that if you don’t want to.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Yeah I prefer not to do that.
Can you answer my question?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Well how would that work because odds are there will be limits there aswell.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Limits on what?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I’m going to try and find another crypto wallet that allows everything to be done instant and get back to you.
Well holds is what I meant
Worst comes to worst we wait the 11 days.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Holds on the part of Coinbase? Since I would be buying outside of coinbase, U feel like there wouldn't be holds unless Coinbase initiates a hold on any bitcoin I deposit to them?
I*
Yeahb1ast0ise Snoovatar
What I was saying is coinbase is one of multiple crypto wallet apps/exchanges.
Other ones likely have holds / limits of there own.
I’m going to look at other crypto options and get back to you.
Does that make sense?frostythetrader Snoovatar
I think so.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I'm pretty sure I just found a solution. Trust Wallet.
Buy Bitcoin instantly with a credit or debit card, bank transfer - Moonpay
Thats the provider trustwallet uses when buying crypto so bank transfer will work instantly.frostythetrader Snoovatar
What are the fees like?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Less than coinbase which also is good.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Gotcha, any idea of what the limits might be,b1ast0ise Snoovatar
There are no limits.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Hm, I see some mixed thing about moonpay after searching it upb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Moonpay is trusted I can guarentee you nothing will happen to your funds.frostythetrader Snoovatar
As long as you use trust wallet your good.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 9
It worked for the first transaction but my card got declined again and again.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Hmm thats weird.
From what I'm reading certain banks don't like crypto exchanges for whatever reason and block payments to it.
While I'm not 100% sure thats your case, what do you think is going on?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Yeah I read that toob1ast0ise Snoovatar
Are there other payment options to fund your trust wallet, because atleast we know now that it works, we just need to find an alternative to whatever payment method your using.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I may have to go with an atm, but the problem is there are pretty big fees. To help pay for the fees, could you trade the navaja back so I could sell it and then use the funds to pay for the fees at the atm? I know I will have to go through the kyc process but I am okay with that. Are you good with this?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
What would an atm do in this situation? And how big are the fees that your talking about.
you'refrostythetrader Snoovatar
ATM is the fastest out of all but I just need more funds to cover the fees which I can achieve from receiving my navaja back so I can sell it if that makes sense?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I'm still confused, are you trying to deposit money to an atm?frostythetrader Snoovatar
A Btcoin ATM is what I mean.. Essentially I would just withdraw the cash necessary to buy the bitcoin at the bitcoin atm, and there's no bank involved because it would be done using cash. The fees range from 8 to 10%, so pretty massive.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
And if the fees are that big and you show me the particular transactions we can talk about coverage on that once the bayo is bought.
Hmm.
Bitcoin atms are pretty uncommon, are you sure theres one near where you are?
And if you don't want to do that I thought you where fine with waiting for coinbase.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Yeah deposit cash and then have the bitcoin sent to my wallet after. But I know I won't have enough to cover everything unless I could get the knife back and then sell it, have those funds from selling the knife sent to my bank account, and then I could go ahead with withdrawing all the funds I need. And then I would go to a bitcoin atm to buy the bitcoin there.
Oh yeah there's several, but only a few take cashb1ast0ise Snoovatar
We already talked about why I can't send back the knife and that I would buy you another one after the bayo is bought.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Honestly I just want to finish this sooner rather than having to wait, I've been wanting the bayonet for a long time.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Disregard the fees, if you show me a picture of the fees I'll cover whatever is needed to get the bayo since you went through the trouble of coinbase and trust wallet and both being unsuccessful.
"Most Bitcoin ATMs charge a fee between 9% and 12%"
Thats just awful.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I know, but I can't buy the all the bitcoin necessary at the atm unless I could get my navaja knife back and sell it so I can then get all the funds I need. ATM method is the most expensive, but both of us would be completing this transaction a lot sooner, probably by tomorrow night once you can send the navaja.
I can't disregard the fees, unless you can provide me with the funds first, which is why I think it would be easier if I could just get the navaja and sell it first.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I already told you before I know we both don't want to go back into that argument regarding the navaja. I will cover the remaning of the bayo if you show me proof of the fees your being charged. This would most likely mean me keeping the navaja funds I get from selling.
To cover the fees.
Or you still getting another navaja after I buy the bayo, but upon your next check you pay what you can to cover part of the fees.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I have to go right now but let me know once you can send the navaja and then I can sell it. Will keep in touch.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I already told you I can't. I don't know what your not understanding about that.
I told you, buy what you can, if you really want to go through the trouble of an atm, even though waiting on coinbase is just fine you can do that and I will cover the remaing 10 percent or whatever you are charged for the bayo as long as you agree to cover those fees with either the navaja thats being sold or your next payment.
A couple days ago you were fine with waiting on coinbase, whats wrong with that.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Well that was before I found out about the bitcoin atm. We could wait but it would be nice to just get this over in a day or two versus waiting 11 more days, it's just a big purchase where I can't wait until the next paycheck you know?
Do you have proof that the seller from China already finished buying the navaja from you?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Finished buying it? Hes buying it as soon as its tradeable we already made a deal, he is the one who hit me up.
Yeah, I get that please read what I said abovefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Waiting would not cause you to loose that much in fees.
Because the amount your loosing is terrible.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Interesting. I appreciate your sympathy.
Well let me know when you sell it.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
So can we just stick to the plan, either wait the 11 days or I'll cover part of the fees and we will still beable to purchase the bayo tommorow, I will cover the portion as long as your able to cover it later.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I can't purchase it tomorrow without getting the navaja back to sell, so looks like we won't be doing the transaction tomorrow.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okay so when do you suppose we do this.
We can just wait 11 days
I don't get why you want it back for what reason your giving, this won't affect it whatsoever.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I mean I guess so if you really can't trade it back to me firstb1ast0ise Snoovatar
You can purchase what you can.frostythetrader Snoovatar
So I can sell it and buy from bitcoin atm my brob1ast0ise Snoovatar
That will be next week because once you receive it, it won't be tradeable for a week. Anyways, you don't need this to buy bitcoin from the atm, you can just buyer smaller amount like I said. I don't know why your not fine with coinbase and waiting 11 days.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Nah I'd rather just purchase all of it at once which will have to be 11 days since I can't buy all of it tomorrowb1ast0ise Snoovatar
What difference would it make? You will still be able to get the bayo regardless of the fees tommorow.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I don't know why you can't just cancel a sale with someone who transferred money to WeChat pay which can be transferred back. But whatever, 11 days is 11 days I guess.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yes 11 days is fine, at least you won't be loosing a big amount to the fees.frostythetrader Snoovatar
So does your rep go down if you back out of a sale or something where no side loses anything?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Its a possibility, but I don't just back out of deals that I came to an agreement upon.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Interesting.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Imagine I had a item you wanted and promised to sell it to you, next thing you know someone else has it.
How would you feel.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I would just move on and find a similar item?
How about you?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I mean yeah move on, but you wouldn't feel the slightest bit mad?frostythetrader Snoovatar
No
If I paid money and didn't get a refund before I got the item then yes I would be mad.
But if both sides aren't losing anything, there's nothing to be mad about you know?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I told you before the reasons I don’t want to keep repeating myself.
I already made an agreement.
Why do you need it back to be able to buy from the atm, you can just disregard the fees. I told you that already.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Yeah yeah yeah, who knows if I am ever going to get the bayonet sapphire with how unreliable Coinbase seems to be making us wait 11 days.
Because I can't just disregard the fees unless you sent me something to pay the fees with you know?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
We will still be able to buy the knife tomorrowfrostythetrader Snoovatar
So you'll send me the funds you get when you sell the navaja?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I’m buying the knife with the funds you send along with the navajafrostythetrader Snoovatar
Then we can't buy the knife tomorrow, maybe in 11 days but not tomorrowb1ast0ise Snoovatar
How so?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Because I don't have enough to cover the atm feesb1ast0ise Snoovatar
And the navaja will make that happen?
It’s whatever, it’s up to you what you want to do. Wait 11 days or have it tomorrow. Either one works fine and don’t stress yourself. I can wait if you can wait.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Yes it will. When does the navaja be become tradeable?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Should be Friday I didn’t check could be Saturday don’t remember the exact time we traded it. Anyways how will that? Why can’t you lower the amount you buy.frostythetrader Snoovatar
It's more economical to buy all the bitcoin I need at one time, and if I lower it, I won't be able to send you the amount for the full price of the bayonetb1ast0ise Snoovatar
But I told you that would work.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I don't think it would, I'd rather just send you the full amount of bitcoin and get they bayonet that wayb1ast0ise Snoovatar
But you are buying the total amount I'll just use the navaja to cover it and whatever else needs to be covered to buy it and we will talk about splitting the fees after.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 10
How’s it going? Lets just wait 11 days, it’ll save you a lot and is much easier than going to an atm.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I was looking into the Add Cash option in Coinbase but I don't know if it will be shorter than 11 days, can you look into that option? It's where you just add funds to Coinbase itself and then can buy bitcoin instantly from those funds?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
What do you mean?
By add cash?
The only way to add cash is through the payment methods, if what your talking about is what I’m thinking about.frostythetrader Snoovatar
There is an 'Add Cash' option that let's you add money to your Coinbase account which can then be used to buy bitcoin instantly. But my guess is that the same wait time would apply for using that option too.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Well the add cash option is just bank transfer
The only instant options are PayPal, or debit
That’s unfortunate trust wallet didn’t work for you because there bank transfer deposits are instant where as coinbase is 3-5 business days.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Hm I only see the Moonpay debit option in trust walletb1ast0ise Snoovatar
They should also have a credit.
They actually only support bank transfer in the Ukfrostythetrader Snoovatar
So that’s up to you.
That might not even be worth it because Atomic wallet doesn’t require any of that and is the same where you can buy with card or bank
So my best recommendation is atomic wallet
It also has 24/7 live chat supportfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 11
Hmm, I think I'll just do coinbase and wait the 11 days, hopefully it ends up being sooner. Will keep you updated.b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Sounds good, talk to you soon then.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 12
Just checking in, hows it going?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Going fine, just waiting for the bitcoin to be sendableb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Jun 13
Damn, bitcoin is dropping quite a bit :/b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yep terrible times in the market.
I bet you’ll make more than you put in by the time it’s tradeable because it’s getting near rock bottom.
When did you buy the btc and what price was it at?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Saturday, I don't have the exact number but it was like 10% ish higherb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Are you aloud to covert the btc if so convert to a stable coin. But I think btc is going up it’s at an atl.
What do you think is gonna happen to the marketfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Idk, as long as I get my bayonet sapphireb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yep can you check if you can convert to usdt?frostythetrader Snoovatar
It's fine, I'll just holdb1ast0ise Snoovatar
You sure? It’s going down a lot.
Hopefully it’ll go back up which it should?frostythetrader Snoovatar
I mean you're going to use the navaja to help pay for it so we'll be fineb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okayfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Does that work with you?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
If it’s good with you then it’s good with me.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Okay frostyb1ast0ise Snoovatar
It went back up, now is your chance if you want to covert it to a stable coin so that it no longer fluctuates.
It’s up to you but it could helpfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 14
Blast0ise, did you convert or are you holding.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Frosty, I am holdingb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Did you sell my navaja yet or are you holding?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Jun 15
Sold yesterday, the guy took forever to get online but he finally bought it yesterday.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Good frostyb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Why do you keep putting frosty in every sentence lol. Are you good?
Are you mad about somethingfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Yeah I'm good, frosty is just fun to say lolb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Well i hope your not mad cause it seems like it. Also to compensate for the navaja instead of buying you the navaja sapphire after will any of these knifes do justice after or no.

If not I’ll still be on plan to get you the navaja after.frostythetrader Snoovatar
No it has to be the navajab1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okay
What is your btc valued at right now in USD.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Currently, just under 3k, I got around 0.143 ishb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okay
One last question, how many days left does it mention on your hold.frostythetrader Snoovatar
8 but I think it's going to change to 7 laterb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Jun 18
It's dropping a lot, are you okay with paying for more of the knife with what you have to account for the drop?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yes that should be fine let’s see what we are left with when it’s off hold.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Btc is at around 19k right now, if it drops to 16 or 17k let’s consider converting to a stable coin for the meantimefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Aightb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Can you convert it to a stable coin now it’s still going down.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Which one do you recommend?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Usdt
Make sure the fees aren’t over the top for usdt and if they are don’t do it.
Anyways converting won’t add any hold because it has nothing to do with purchases so that’s fine.frostythetrader Snoovatar
It’s starting to go back up just let me know what you decided to do.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 20
I decided to just hold onto itb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Good because it went up again.
How many days does it mention on the hold?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 21
Until this Fridayb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Frosty?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Sup?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 22
Just making sure you got my previous messageb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Oh okayfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Did you happen to trade for a navaja sapphire yet?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Trade? I’m buying it after you get the bayo sapphire
If it’s overpriced I’ll just trade one of my knifes over for one but yeah
But yeah that’s being delivered to you as of now since prices are finefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Sounds good, when are you free on Friday to do this?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Most likely all day starting from 12 pm and on.frostythetrader Snoovatar
What about you?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Nighttime, probably 9pm-10pmb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 24
Hey, I’m available and ready when you are.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Just got home let me know when your avaliable.frostythetrader Snoovatar
I’m going to be around for another hour or so and then we will have to do this later in the day.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 25
Oh my b I lost track of time
Later today should work, how much are you charging me again?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
How much did you purchase?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Only the previous amount I told you before
Do I need to buy more?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I believe that plus the navaja should cut itfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Do you know how to send crypto?
Also your going to need to un private your inventory so you can receive trade offers.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Okay, you already sold the navaja to that buyer in China?
And yes I do
And yeah I will when we're both ready
Can you do sometime tonight?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yes I did, I’m ready to do it now if your able tofrostythetrader Snoovatar
But if tonight works then we could also do that.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Hey it’s night time, could we do this now?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Jun 26
It’s now been 2 days where you said can we do it “tonight” and you have yet to do it. Please stick to your word so I’m not having to wait for you. I’d like to get this done todayfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Let's try for tonight, sorry lots of stuff have been coming up lately.
Do you pinky promise?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Any chance we could get this over with now?
Or are you not avaliablefrostythetrader Snoovatar
I'm heading out right now, but I pinky promise to get on tonight, pinky promise?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Why are you saying "pinky promise" lol.frostythetrader Snoovatar
Because that's my way of making a promise, so do you pinky promise? b1ast0ise Snoovatar

Also instead of the navaja sapphire would you take those gloves?
I mean I've been on every night but you haven't been.
The gloves have a great floatfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Sure, I'll take those.
Do you pinky promise?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
So your fine without the navja sapphire?
Cause a week ago you weren’tfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I mean navaja sapphire is better but if you can't get the navaja sapphire, Ill settle for the gloves so Im not keeping you waitingb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Hmm okay I’ll see what’s easier
What time will you 100% on be tonight
Because I don’t want to keep waiting on broken promises.frostythetrader Snoovatar
You have to pinky promise first, do you pinky promise?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
What time can you get on cause I might not be in
On*frostythetrader Snoovatar
You can either pinky promise or just trade a new navaja sapphire back to me lolb1ast0ise Snoovatar
I’m not going to promise to something I can’t commit tofrostythetrader Snoovatar
In like 10 hours or a little later
Pinky promise if you can commit?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Why can’t you send the crypto now, your in your phone and coinbase is a app that you can easily send the crypto from
Your just delaying thisfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Why can't you pinky promise, I have been really busy these past few days and nights. Can you pinky promise me you will be on in around 10 hours?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Can’t make any promises I’ll be on by then
The other two days I was however you weren’t
So we will just have to see frostythetrader Snoovatar
Blast0ise if you pinky promise to do this earlier then we can make this work frostythetrader Snoovatar
frostythetrader, I pinky promise to try to be on earlier
Keep me updated
Heading out now b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okay Blast0ise I pink promise to keep you updated frostythetrader Snoovatar
pinky silly goose b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Silly goose tricks are for kidsfrostythetrader Snoovatar

You're very silly today, I wonder what happenedfrostythetrader Snoovatar
It has now been around 5 hours and you have yet to message me lolfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Still out, are available in about 4 more hours?
are you*b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I should befrostythetrader Snoovatar
Here’s a update, it has now been more than 2 hours since your last messagefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Thank you for the update frostyb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okay around an hour left b1ast0isefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Tick tockb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Tick tock
Are you excited goose?frostythetrader Snoovatar
The bayo saph is my dream knife, I think that speaks for itselfb1ast0ise Snoovatar
My dream knife is a butterfly sapphire
Unfortunately It’s to high right now so I bought the closest thing too it
A butterfly knife phase 4
Still sexy
Welp 50 minutes leftfrostythetrader Snoovatar
It’s time frostythetrader Snoovatar
How much am I sending again?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
What you boughtfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I dont want to overpay or underpay, can you give me a number?
Honestly forgot lolb1ast0ise Snoovatar
3k should be rightfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I don't understand, you were more specific in the beginning, now you're different, you good?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I’m kinda busy
Can’t you check?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Also it’s time guess your not here once again hehe
Totally didn’t expect itfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I can't check, can you check?
Chill bro
I've also been busyb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okay
Lets take a look I’m gonna have to scroll up a lot for this
3605.92 USD
therefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Gotcha
So how is it going to work, I send you the bitcoin first and then you buy the bayonet sapphire?
And are you okay?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I'm okay, are you?
And yeah that's how it will work.
It just weirded me out a little bit the way you started talking but maybe I'm just crazy/
*.
So are we ready?frostythetrader Snoovatar
For sure
Yeah send the address I should send them tob1ast0ise Snoovatar
Alrighty
Do you know how to send crypto?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Actually not sure, how do I do it?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Click the send button on your coinbase app, enter my address and whatever 2fa you setupfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Ohhh okay
I found itb1ast0ise Snoovatar
I thought you already knew how to send crypto lolfrostythetrader Snoovatar
I forgot lol but you reminded me
Sending
Okay sentb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Can you send a picture of the transactionfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Lmk when you get it, it's currently processing for me
Like I said before I prefer not to send pictures :/
But lmk when you receive it, it should get there within 30 min I thinkb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Bitcoin doesn't processfrostythetrader Snoovatar
No silly, the transaction of me sending it to you
That takes time to process, it's called blockchainb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Yeah no duh, but it doesn't process, it takes time to be mined.
Can you send the transaction?
Not a picture but the blockchain transaction
Or send me your bitcoin address so I can check.frostythetrader Snoovatar
That's what I meantb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Surefrostythetrader Snoovatar
Yes
That is what I meantb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Okay address?frostythetrader Snoovatar
And no I can't send the transaction or addressb1ast0ise Snoovatar
Why not?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Same goes for pictures
I just prefer not tob1ast0ise Snoovatar
I'm going to have it either way when the bitcoin comes
So why not send it now? Are you hiding something?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Are you hiding something?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Are you?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Are you?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Bye b1ast0ise, ba bye my friend
Oh no, I gave you the wrong crypto address frostythetrader Snoovatar
Oh so you have cash rep?b1ast0ise Snoovatar
I hope you didn't send it yetfrostythetrader Snoovatar

b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Do you have cash rep
Who is that?frostythetrader Snoovatar
Don't even bother trying to talk about skin trading/buying/selling or CS:GO. You seem to not know what either is judging from your scammer's reputation and your lack of real playtime/hours of playing and enjoying the actual game. Listen, I know you lied to me so I am going to buy it from someone else who I can actually trust with my money. I accept that you are not going to give the Navaja Sapphire back to me because you scammed me and that I messed up by not being more careful. I should have never trusted you in the first place. I know you scammed me because you sent me a fake rep site, but I hope you stop doing this to people and realize how low and shitty it is to scam people. I thought you were genuine for offering to help but I was wrong. I don't know your life or how you were brought up, but something must have happened along the way that led you to do this kind of terrible thing. One day when you grow old and gray, you are going to look back and regret wasting your time and energy on scamming people instead of just being a good guy. I hope you become a better human being while you still have the time. All I can do is pray for you. If you are actually legitimate after all this time wasted, return my Navaja Sapphire back to me and then I will take back everything I just said. Otherwise, you can go ahead and unfriend and block me now to confirm you are a scammer. ✌b1ast0ise Snoovatar
Please keep praying for me
I'm not a scammer though
blastoise are you there?frostythetrader Snoovatar
I hope you didn’t block me I dead ass want to talkfrostythetrader Snoovatar
Hope you message me soon want to talk about that you said
What*

I see that there are several other reports made against Frosty with similar scenarios where Frosty initially conducted the scam over Reddit. I forgot to mention that Frosty also tried to establish credibility with me by sending me a link to a fake CS:GO trading reputation website which I unfortunately fell for in originally believing Frosty had some kind of trustworthy reputation, which was a mistake. Moderators, please consider banning Frosty from your platform because I am not the only person who fell victim to Frosty and their scam methods.