Scamming expire date? Trading with meanless scammers?

There are currently Scammers: 12879.
That's a lot of scammers first of all.
How many of these scammers scammed years ago but never filed an appeal(maybe laziness, maybe doesn't care about steamrep).

I know the site says we shouldn't trade with scammers, but is there an exception to this rule?
Let's say someone is marked for buying scammed items. The trader never actually scammed.
Now I trade with him knowingly.
So does that mean I'd be marked for trading with a guy who traded with a scammer.
Seems kind of silly, doesn't it?
If the site keeps marking everyone, there won't be many decent traders left.

So how about an tag expire date?
Scammers, who did minor scamming get their tagged changed to "Caution" after 6 months to a year automatically.

By minor scamming, I mean they made like a few keys profit(combing all their scams), bought items from a scammer. Attempted to quickswitch(and would of gained like 8 keys max).
Where ever you want to draw the line at.

I'm just starting to get annoyed when I find some decent deals or a buyer and learn they once scammed.
Usually once I learn someone is marked, I remove and block them.

I don't use trade servers, I use outpost and backpack.tf

I do enough playing, and I hate trade servers.
The aggervation is so great, I rage..I mean, I really really rage!
Makes me want to quit TF2 so bad!

Trading sites are more relaxing.

I don't care about dropped items anymore..the value of metal is so worthless

may i just say - I'm pretty sure you only get given a caution tag at first if you trade with scammers. And even then that comes after a warning, (Although i think they do give scammer tags if you trade with them more than seems normal) Also TF2OP bans people who are scammers so if you are using OP you shouldn't run into the problem of scammers.

Yeah, pretty much spot on.

SR tend to treat cases on their merit. Someone who is new or unaware of SR is not going to be tagged, however experienced traders are not afforded quite the same consideration. If I knowingly traded with a scammer for example, SR would probably fully tag me in the first instance (and rightfully so).

Many of your questions seem to forget one major point, what about the victim of these scams? One key maybe nothing to you but for many players it is everything, weeks or even months of saving scrap to get just one key and than to make a mistake and get scammed. You don't scam people by accident, you don't 'slip' and 'whoops I scammed you'. It is thought out with intent, purpose. Scamming isn't about how much or what was scammed but the act itself, saying it was a minor thing is only belittling the value someone else places on their item(s) and replacing it with your own values.


"If the site keeps marking everyone, there won't be many decent traders left."
Scammers are not decent traders so marking scammers has no effect on the number of 'decent' traders.

This isn't so much about marking bad people as it is offering a means for people to protect themselves from would be known scammers.

"I'm just starting to get annoyed when I find some decent deals or a buyer and learn they once scammed."
Your getting annoyed because you can't benefit from some one else suffering????? Upset because you can't help a scammer prosper??

Scammers EARNED their scammer tags, but removing the tag after a period of time is not a wise act. Blame the people before them who abused the trust re given to them, they poisoned the field which these new scammer tread and have little chance of their tag being removed, which I agree with. But if a finger of blame is to be pointed, point it at the scammer, he made the choice to harm another person, there by making him accountable for his actions.

Its really simple, don't scam and don't support scammers, it is really that simple.

"I'm just starting to get annoyed when I find some decent deals or a buyer and learn they once scammed."
Your getting annoyed because you can't benefit from some one else suffering????? Upset because you can't help a scammer prosper??

I get annoyed with the fact they added me in the first place and getting my hopes up.
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What about expire dates then for traders who never even scammed. They just made a mistake by trading with a scammer(non-purposely) and never bothered to make an appeal.

its not as easy as 1 trade with a scammer to get a scammer tag for trading with scammers, so no, that one doesn't fly either.

Amount of Scammers: 12,879
Amount of Accounts on OP alone: 381,864
Amount of Traders: Much more than those.

I highly doubt that we're run out of traders.

Ya well I think if someone scammed 8 keys as you said they should never be unmarked. But someone who scammed 2 rec 4 months ago ....... But seriously I don't think tags should expire. If they feel enough time has passed that they should be unmarked, they should appeal themselves.

The issue with scamming tags and scammers in general, is that often times they are repeat offenders. And if they're tag expires, why wouldn't they keep going?

Tags stand as evidence and a warning to traders about this person's choice to scam. That falls on them.

And that's another issue, where would we draw the line? You may see 8 keys as a minor scam, but to someone who only had those 8 keys, it was everything to them. To new traders, a key is quite a lot.

Just because you deal in buds and higher trading, doesn't mean that the impact of the "smaller" stuff is any less great or any less hurtful to "smaller" traders. The "effect" of a scam is in the eyes of the beholder and I, personally, would be uncomfortable with anyone telling me something was a minor scam so the person who scammed me is getting untagged.

We can't draw a line where scamming is minor or not important enough to mark. If you lost a bud, but that's where the line was, would you accept that the person got off scotch free?

we've seen scams where minor traders got scammed out of their first bills, where they had traded months and months to get it together, they traded all their worth for that bills, and then that bills got scammed. Or they got scammed for even less out of all they have worked on for a long time to get. I really wouldn't like to "automate" a expiry on them...

Also, if a scammer scams for a refined, would you ever trust 'm with a unusual?