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Trading potentially scammed/stolen items

Discussion in 'SteamRep General Discussion' started by Disdngushd iglo, Jul 30, 2014.

  1. Disdngushd iglo

    Disdngushd iglo New User

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    Hello, first post here so forgive me if this is in the wrong section or all that.

    I havent found a clear answer to this, a guy on cslounge put up a trade for a skin worth 32euros and is asking for around 6 euros less in keys. I started wondering if he wants to quick sell because that is a scammed item or whatever.

    My question is, if that item is from a scam trade or stolen (which is probably isnt) and i trade with him and get it can I get "in trouble"? I searched his name and didnt find anything suspicious

    His inventory is full of keys and nothing but keys.

    Thanks for your time
  2. Horse

    Horse Administrator SteamRep Admin

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    Not everyone that "quick sells" is a scammer...this fear mongering is getting out of control. If that is what he wants and that is what you want then make the trade. The idea of a trade is to barter for items or haggle and then you make the deal. You've done the work and he isn't tagged here and appears to be dealing with keys so I wouldn't worry about it.
  3. Disdngushd iglo

    Disdngushd iglo New User

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    True but im also asking in general what happens if the skins are indeed stolen( from a hacked profile) , what happens then?
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    Depends on the circumstances of the scam or w/e. They "Steam" could remove the hijacked items from your backpack.
  5. Disdngushd iglo

    Disdngushd iglo New User

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    Alright thanks for answer, but the scammer would keep the items i traded him for that i guess
  6. SIVARTZ

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    That would be up to Steam. I would assume you would lose your items.
  7. Ninja Otter With A Taco

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    I assumed that Steam didnt remove items from inventories
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    We assume to much. lol. To be honest I do not know.
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  9. SilentReaper(SR)

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    In hijacking situations, when steam support removes items from a hijacker fence/mule account, they will simply either:
    - Remove ALL items of such accounts.
    - Remove ALL items that where TRADED TO such accounts from first occurrence they found suspicious stuff.
    - Remove Hijacked items.
    And off course variants of these and or combinations of these we do not know about. The above is what I've seen happen.

    And that is apart from any trade ban / account lock they'd apply. If its a trade related VAC ban, its a simple wipe of everything.
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  10. Disdngushd iglo

    Disdngushd iglo New User

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    Thats a lot of items being removed lol

    Thanks for all the answers, would suck if someone bought hijacked items without knowing and then steam removed all his inventory.
  11. SilentReaper(SR)

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    It has happened to traders too that bought too many times items from such.

    A simple rule to live by is: make sure the item was in possession of the trader for say at least 3-4 weeks.

    Average Steam Support reaction time is somewhere between 1 and 2 weeks. If the items where hijacked or w/e, the unsafe period is less then 2 weeks ownership.
  12. Disdngushd iglo

    Disdngushd iglo New User

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    Alright thanks for the info, had no idea this was a possibility, since i cant see when a person got the item, ill judge it by far back its on his inventory ( not really scientific but it should be an indicator)
  13. SilentReaper(SR)

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    There are backpack sites that keep history for a x period. backpack.tf etc keeps it for a year/number of months etc. But not all backpack sites do all games etc. I'm not really aware of which backpack site does what history etc.
  14. Disdngushd iglo

    Disdngushd iglo New User

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    Something like this needs to happen for csgo items, would be great if it was possible to trace back items and stuff like that, which im sure valve can do, maybe just show previous owners and the such
  15. SilentReaper(SR)

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    Valve won't do that. It has been requested a lot, it simply won't happen. All they'd need to do is allow publicize the trade history to any instead owner only. Problem with that would then be again the steam marked purchases etc.

    Also, building a site with history on items isn't cheap, that is a very big database....
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  16. Disdngushd iglo

    Disdngushd iglo New User

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    Yeahh valve could easily solve a lot of problems with trading but i dont see that happening anytime soon, they could just say when the user got that item but nope.

    No need for another website to do it then but it all comes down to valve making extremely small changes that would drastically improve things
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    You can get a rough idea of how long someone has owned an item by looking at it's current id.

    I also have a vague recollection of a site that collected data on how item ids corresponded with dates, don't remember where that was though.
  18. SilentReaper(SR)

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    Problem is, these current ID's aren't linear.
  19. Pacquis

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    to be honest steam trading is in no way flawed, there's no way to exploit it. as you may know steam has stated many times that they only support trading via their system which is the community market, trade offers, etc.
    and on things being fixed they did add the warning that you will recieve said items after you complete the trade.
    cant get any more obvious

    and honestly do you think that the average trader will go bother where the item came from ?,even if steam had that feature implemented most people wouldn't use it.or don't know its even there.
    hell people sometimes dont know how to view inventory history and that thing has been implemented for a while.
  20. FlyingMuppet

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    I had a situation in which I traded an item of mine for copies of games which later were revealed to be purchased using a stolen card. However after steam revoked these games, a quick ticket with customer support ended in me getting my item back, so if you lose items due to steam removing them, always get in touch with support as they might give you a refund!

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